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Been lurking for a while, but this is my first post here.....GREAT SITE!!! Anyways, I just bought an old '88 F-350 Superduty with a dump body and a 460 with a 4 sp overdrive. It had a dead hole so I pulled the heads and found a couple burnt exhaust valves and the heads need to be rebuilt. I'm not sure about the condition of the bottom end and I am questioning it's past life after finding this. Then I remembered, I hace a complete 361 that I took out of a '68 F-750 a few years ago, went through it completely and then sold the truck it came out of, so I was wondering if it would be feasible the put it in place of the tired 460. I know the fuel injection would be out the window, that doesn't really bother me. Any thoughts anyone? How much of a PITA is this going to be? I appreciate any help................-Curtis.
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It wouldn't be a real difficult swap. The 361 is an FE series engine and the 460 is a "385" series engine, so they are not a direct replacement, but you should be able to get parts to install an FE engine in your chassis fairly easily.
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The 361 is an FT engine which shares next to no parts with an FE engine.
The block is different, the heads are different and all the internal parts are different.
361: F500 and larger trucks only. Never installed in F100/350's.
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JMO, I wouldn't do it. 460s are like grains of sand, you'll have to change all kinds of stuff, and you don't THINK you'll miss the efi, but I bet you'll miss them 100 cubic inches.
The cost of 'the little things' like cooling, exhaust, transmission adaptation--you said 4 speed OD, right, as in E4OD? (??? intro'd in '89 afaik, so ??) or do you have a 4 speed manual? Any 4 speed manual behind a 460 is direct 4th unless someone put in one of the OD jobs--in which case it's due to explode any second. Or a 5 speed ZF? Neither the E4OD or ZF will bolt to the 361, and if it already has a clutch bell, the trans you have now may or may not bolt up. (input shaft size, trans bolt pattern, possibly depth)--anyway, the "little things" will add up in time and money, and would probably cover a good chunk of the 460 rehab.
You CAN do it, but I'd give it a serious eyeballing as to what's different. You don't want to lower it down and then find out the exhaust empties right into the steering box or inside the frame rail, or other minor inconveniences....
Good luck.
The cost of 'the little things' like cooling, exhaust, transmission adaptation--you said 4 speed OD, right, as in E4OD? (??? intro'd in '89 afaik, so ??) or do you have a 4 speed manual? Any 4 speed manual behind a 460 is direct 4th unless someone put in one of the OD jobs--in which case it's due to explode any second. Or a 5 speed ZF? Neither the E4OD or ZF will bolt to the 361, and if it already has a clutch bell, the trans you have now may or may not bolt up. (input shaft size, trans bolt pattern, possibly depth)--anyway, the "little things" will add up in time and money, and would probably cover a good chunk of the 460 rehab.
You CAN do it, but I'd give it a serious eyeballing as to what's different. You don't want to lower it down and then find out the exhaust empties right into the steering box or inside the frame rail, or other minor inconveniences....
Good luck.
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Sorry, NumbersDummy is quite correct. FE and FT are two different engines. I was thinking of the 360 FE engine.
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It's an FT, which resembles an FE.
They've got great cranks to machine down for use in FE's.
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Yes, that Y-block comment kind of confused me too.
Ford and Lincoln did make Y-block truck engines. The Lincoln Y-block truck engine was used until 1963 in 279, 302 and 332 cu. in. displacements. Very similar in appearance to the Ford Y-Block only larger. Only the oil pump and distributor will fit Ford Y-Block.
The Ford Y-block came in 239, 258, 272, 292 and 312 CID.
Ford and Lincoln did make Y-block truck engines. The Lincoln Y-block truck engine was used until 1963 in 279, 302 and 332 cu. in. displacements. Very similar in appearance to the Ford Y-Block only larger. Only the oil pump and distributor will fit Ford Y-Block.
The Ford Y-block came in 239, 258, 272, 292 and 312 CID.
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First, this is probably not the correct place to ask this, but this is the "Heavy-Duty" section, so the 361FT question is appropriate here.
The 361 is an FT block, and uses a timing-cover mounted engine mount - which would be almost impossible to rig up with available parts in an '88 F-350. It's "possible" but you'd have to fabricate too much stuff.
Better to find another 460.
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Side note: The FT engines are very similar to the FE engines. Most of the time, an FE engine is installed in place of an FT engine. FT blocks can be used as cores for FE engines, FT cranks have a larger snout that needs to be machined down for installation in an FE setup (crank is externally balanced so that's another concern).
For more info or general discussion about the FT engines, visit the FE forum
The 361 is an FT block, and uses a timing-cover mounted engine mount - which would be almost impossible to rig up with available parts in an '88 F-350. It's "possible" but you'd have to fabricate too much stuff.
Better to find another 460.
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Side note: The FT engines are very similar to the FE engines. Most of the time, an FE engine is installed in place of an FT engine. FT blocks can be used as cores for FE engines, FT cranks have a larger snout that needs to be machined down for installation in an FE setup (crank is externally balanced so that's another concern).
For more info or general discussion about the FT engines, visit the FE forum
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The FT engines are very similar to the FE engines. Most of the time, an FE engine is installed in place of an FT engine. FT blocks can be used as cores for FE engines, FT cranks have a larger snout that needs to be machined down for installation in an FE setup (crank is externally balanced so that's another concern).
The 330 H/D engine uses the same crank as a 361.
The two 330 engines share the same cid, but little else.
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First, this is probably not the correct place to ask this, but this is the "Heavy-Duty" section, so the 361FT question is appropriate here.
The 361 is an FT block, and uses a timing-cover mounted engine mount - which would be almost impossible to rig up with available parts in an '88 F-350. It's "possible" but you'd have to fabricate too much stuff.
Better to find another 460.
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Side note: The FT engines are very similar to the FE engines. Most of the time, an FE engine is installed in place of an FT engine. FT blocks can be used as cores for FE engines, FT cranks have a larger snout that needs to be machined down for installation in an FE setup (crank is externally balanced so that's another concern).
For more info or general discussion about the FT engines, visit the FE forum
The 361 is an FT block, and uses a timing-cover mounted engine mount - which would be almost impossible to rig up with available parts in an '88 F-350. It's "possible" but you'd have to fabricate too much stuff.
Better to find another 460.
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Side note: The FT engines are very similar to the FE engines. Most of the time, an FE engine is installed in place of an FT engine. FT blocks can be used as cores for FE engines, FT cranks have a larger snout that needs to be machined down for installation in an FE setup (crank is externally balanced so that's another concern).
For more info or general discussion about the FT engines, visit the FE forum
The mount issue is a good point, I had forgotten about that. Having read all the good responses it doesn't sound like this would be a feasable swap, I just figured that since I had the brand new 361 I would try to use it. Guess I'll have to go through the tired ole 460 afterall.
