Oil type & weight
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Oil type & weight
I am just about ready to put my new long block 460 in my 77 F250. What weight and type of oil would you guys run? Also I've seen so many different types of oil used in the NP 205 and NP 435 xfer case and transmission, what would you run? I am going to change everything next week. Should I wait until the motor is broken in before I use synthetics?
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I agree, the diesel rated oils seem to be the only ones that contain the additives that our old flat tappet engines need. I run Delo 400 15-40 in both of my Windsors and both are nice and clean inside with no problems. You may want to go to a lighter grade in winter, 15-40 gets a little thick below 10-15 degrees. I know Shell and Chevron both make a 10-30 weight with what I assume is the same additive package. I didn't check the msds to be sure though..
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I'm remembering a conversation I had with a friend a while back. Something about a zink additive (maybe) that is no longer used in motor oil. Whatever the additive, something is missing in today's motor oil that is needed in a freshly rebuilt old engine. I'll admit, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I think it should be looked into. Hopefully someone here chimes in and clears things up. Someone who knows more about what I'm saying than I do.
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Your friend is right Murph, well sort of. I checked Valvoline (Ashland) Castrol, (BP) Pennzoil, and Havoline, (Chevron-Texaco). The MSDS for all of them are the same, no zinc. On the other hand Chevron Delo 400 and Shell Rotella both still contain the zinc needed by older flat lifter engines. I think any good quality diesel rated oil will work better than the gas engine rated stuff... It seems to be cheaper too, Delo 400 runs about $11-12 a gallon around here.
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Thanks guys for the info. I picked the motor up today and read through the "start up" packet. It does say in big print "use Shell Rotella or Chevron Delco 400 for break in and normal use or camshaft failure WILL result". I read this after the guy at the motor shop told me 10W-30 would be fine. Really makes you wonder how much "bad" information is out there.
Do you guys know of other ways to prime the oil system? The only way I have done it in the past is to use a drill and socket to spin the oil pump until oil comes out up by the rocker arms, that way you know oil has made it through the entire system.
Do you guys know of other ways to prime the oil system? The only way I have done it in the past is to use a drill and socket to spin the oil pump until oil comes out up by the rocker arms, that way you know oil has made it through the entire system.
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Thanks guys for the info. I picked the motor up today and read through the "start up" packet. It does say in big print "use Shell Rotella or Chevron Delco 400 for break in and normal use or camshaft failure WILL result". I read this after the guy at the motor shop told me 10W-30 would be fine. Really makes you wonder how much "bad" information is out there.
Do you guys know of other ways to prime the oil system? The only way I have done it in the past is to use a drill and socket to spin the oil pump until oil comes out up by the rocker arms, that way you know oil has made it through the entire system.
Do you guys know of other ways to prime the oil system? The only way I have done it in the past is to use a drill and socket to spin the oil pump until oil comes out up by the rocker arms, that way you know oil has made it through the entire system.
"I heard from my best friend's neighbor, whose Uncle talked to his butcher's neice who heard from the barber that little Johnny was told Zinc is no longer in them engine oils"
There is still Zinc in engine oil. Up 800 PPM for gasoline grade motor oil to 10W30. Gasoline 10W40 and 20W50 isn't restricted as much and there is no limit to 20W50. DIESEL engine oils are "supposedly" limited to 1200 PPM, but that is yet to be seen whether it is 5W40, 10W30 or 15W40 CI+ or the new CJ rated oil.
Any quality diesel oil will do great in a flat tappet engine. At my work we send in at least 25 oil samples per WEEK, almost all of it is Shell Rotella and occasionally John Deere Plus 50 15W40. Not once has the zinc been less that 1300 PPM.
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Josh, my response was based on facts, facts anyone can read online. You can read for yourself the MSDS sheets for motor oils and they all show, (the ones I quoted anyway) that gasoline rated oils do not have any zinc, while diesel rated oils do.
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Bob Is The Oil Guy the BIBLE for oil analysis.
What's this? Motorcraft 5W20 has nearly 700 PPM Zinc?
Motorcraft 5w-20 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
And this? Havoline 5W30?
Havoline 5W-30 w/ Deposit Shield API SM ILSAC GF-4 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
I can post more, but before you open your mouth again, take a look at the FACTS.
ALL ENGINE OILS CONTAIN ZINC. They are just limited as to what maximum amount they can use.
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What's this? Motorcraft 5W20 has nearly 700 PPM Zinc?
Motorcraft 5w-20 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
And this? Havoline 5W30?
Havoline 5W-30 w/ Deposit Shield API SM ILSAC GF-4 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
I can post more, but before you open your mouth again, take a look at the FACTS.
ALL ENGINE OILS CONTAIN ZINC. They are just limited as to what maximum amount they can use.
Josh
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Here we are again... another oil thread. LOL :)
This is at least the third time I posted this...
A friend of mine in Arkansas got a job in an East Texas oil bottling plant
and he was very unhappy to see his favorite brand of motor oil -Havoline-
go down the same line and get the same oil out of the same "hopper"
(he called it) as store brands he'd never heard of.
It either meets spec or it don't see? :)
It ain't food, they can pull all sorts of shenanigans on you and you won't
know the difference. ;) But now that you've heard this story you can think
back and realize... "yeah, I did notice there were certain bottles that were
dark and others were pale". Right? ;)
Just wanted to throw that in after reading some of "Bob's" stuff. ;)
Bill, the cam company is just practicing a good healthy dose of CYA and
shouldn't be blamed for lying to you just a little bit. ;) It's a rough world
for business out there, between the gov't busy-bodies and the private
sector lawyers. :/
Alvin in AZ (libertarian)
This is at least the third time I posted this...
A friend of mine in Arkansas got a job in an East Texas oil bottling plant
and he was very unhappy to see his favorite brand of motor oil -Havoline-
go down the same line and get the same oil out of the same "hopper"
(he called it) as store brands he'd never heard of.
It either meets spec or it don't see? :)
It ain't food, they can pull all sorts of shenanigans on you and you won't
know the difference. ;) But now that you've heard this story you can think
back and realize... "yeah, I did notice there were certain bottles that were
dark and others were pale". Right? ;)
Just wanted to throw that in after reading some of "Bob's" stuff. ;)
Bill, the cam company is just practicing a good healthy dose of CYA and
shouldn't be blamed for lying to you just a little bit. ;) It's a rough world
for business out there, between the gov't busy-bodies and the private
sector lawyers. :/
Alvin in AZ (libertarian)
Last edited by Alvin in AZ; Jan 15, 2009 at 06:57 PM. Reason: Ooops got CE and Bill mixed up! :( Sorry 'bout that. ;)
