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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 11:52 AM
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Is this block a 94 or 95? Ford Racing Performance Parts camshafts state they work in 94+95 roller 351s. The E303 is a good towing cam... If you want a stock replacement RockAuto or other auto parts stores will have them... Good Luck!
the ford letter cams suck in trucks, and the e cam wont run with speed density very well. there are far better cams available.

look on the compcams website, i think the one you want that will still work with speed density is 35-308-8 if i recall. if you go to full size bronco . com they have an entire thread showing what cams work best for our rigs with part number and everything.
 
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 02:10 PM
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thank you kemical burns, i'll go to the FSB forums.

and also this block will be going in my '81 so its gonna be carbed.
 
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
The 302 and 351 roller blocks use the same cams, that's why I didn't say to specify an engine size in the search, just "ford small block windsor".

Camshafts - summitracing.com
I didn't, and I tried several times with different orders, but either it didn't give me the windsor option or something else was going on. One time it had reduced the # down to 47 before I had even chosen engine size OR windsor family? It was really ticking me off. Thanks for the link.

The 302 camshafts will fit in the 351W, but they aren't designed for it. Won't there be a difference in the way the cam acts with the extra ci's?
 
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kuskoal
thank you kemical burns, i'll go to the FSB forums.

and also this block will be going in my '81 so its gonna be carbed.
in that case you might try calling compcams and tell them your plans for the build, what its going into and how you plan to use the vehicle. they can get you a cam better suited for ya.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 02:29 AM
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kick ***, thought the same thing as i drove away from the house. do it tomorrow if i have time after work
 
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by doug1222556
The 302 camshafts will fit in the 351W, but they aren't designed for it.
Summit organizes cams into groups that are a direct fit for a motor, but cams are not designed for a specific motor, they are designed to fit certain block dimensions. And since all motors in the Ford Windsor family(221, 260, 289, 302, 351) use the same cam dimensions, you can use any "SBF" cam in any of these motors. There were 2 different firing orders for these motors as well, and the cam lobes are ground to follow one or the other, but both firing orders will work in all engines, you just have to re-arrange the plugs wires. Of course each cam will produce different results in each block... mainly due to the difference in displacement, and the best way to estimate this is with a program like desktop dyno.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kemicalburns
in that case you might try calling compcams and tell them your plans for the build, what its going into and how you plan to use the vehicle. they can get you a cam better suited for ya.
There was a problem with the phones the day I called them for my motor, and I was on hold for about an hour and a half. When the tech finally got back to me ,he was shocked that I was still there.

Anyway, the cam he recommended was right in between the 2 I was thinking about, and when I mentioned that, he said that one of them came up as the first hit.

The reason I stayed on the phone waiting was that that cam was coming up for bid on Ebay, and I wanted verification before I bid on it. Worked out great as I got the cam for about 1/2 price, but now I need a cam card for it. I sent an email to Comp over the holidays, but haven't heard back. I may need to send the another one.

Long story short, they were real helpful in the recommendation, and both of us coming up with basically the same grind helped instill some confidence in Comp's choice and mine.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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Its easy to get Comp Cam specs. Just put in the part number or grind number in this web site.

COMP Cams - Cam Spec Card Search
 
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kemicalburns
the ford letter cams suck in trucks, and the e cam wont run with speed density very well. there are far better cams available.

look on the compcams website, i think the one you want that will still work with speed density is 35-308-8 if i recall. if you go to full size bronco . com they have an entire thread showing what cams work best for our rigs with part number and everything.
Dude.... any car built in the 90s should have a MAF. Also anybody who has a speed density should have converted to an MAF.... I personally used an E303 in a 351 a few years ago and was very happy with it. That being said we all have our preferences.... I personally use FRPP or Motorcraft as much as possible...
 
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 04:23 PM
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Not only will a 95 block be roller ready, it will have a roller camshaft installed unless it's in a Lightning.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Paulford8
Dude.... any car built in the 90s should have a MAF. Also anybody who has a speed density should have converted to an MAF.... I personally used an E303 in a 351 a few years ago and was very happy with it. That being said we all have our preferences.... I personally use FRPP or Motorcraft as much as possible...
Dude,...where's my car? The motor is going in a TRUCK and no one ever said the TRUCK was a 95, just the motor. It's going in an '81. That makes a big difference, doesn't it?
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by doug1222556
Dude,...where's my car? The motor is going in a TRUCK and no one ever said the TRUCK was a 95, just the motor. It's going in an '81. That makes a big difference, doesn't it?

Doug (better?), peace Ford brother! Like I said we all have our preferences!
 
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pcmenten
I'd get a roller 351 every time.

In re: the ZDDP; last I heard, the red STP Oil Treatment for four cylinder engines has the kind of ZDDP you want. Look on the googles to find the motorcycle site that did the analysis of the various sources of ZDDP. GM EOS is another possible source.

I absolutely would not be using Delo or other oils formulated for diesel engines - wrong kind of ZDDP.

ZDDP is ZDDP. Although Delo and the other Unversal Grade oils were formulated specifically for diesel engines, they are SUPERIOR oils for gas engines where flat tappets are used.

The latest Universal Grades have less quantity of ZDDP due to the insane emissions issues with the last year or two diesel engines. That's why, during the breakin process, you should still use break in additive such as GM EOS, Crane or Comp Break in lube or maybe the STP product mentioned. After the engine has about 15 or 20 thousand miles, you can leave out the break in lube and use Delo alone.

I've used Delo 400 multigrade in every engine on my place for about 23 years. I STILL use it in everything that I have that does NOT have roller cam followers. I have run engines of all types to VERY high mileage with this oil.

An important by product of the Universal Grade oils when used in gas engines is the added detergents for soot dispersal in diesels. These detergents keep gas engines squeeky clean with no compromise in any other way.

There have been statements, probably by those wanting to sell other types of oil, that ZDDP is bad for catalyitic converters. That is true if the engine is burning LOTS of oil. The problem with that logic, however, is that if an engine is burning LOTS of oil, the converter will be toast anyway.

The Total Base Number tests on Delo are EXTREMELY high. Facts don't lie!
 
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Paulford8
Dude.... any car built in the 90s should have a MAF. Also anybody who has a speed density should have converted to an MAF.... I personally used an E303 in a 351 a few years ago and was very happy with it. That being said we all have our preferences.... I personally use FRPP or Motorcraft as much as possible...
and you are aware that the bronco and f150 didnt get maf till 93 for the 302 only, the 5.8 didnt get maf till 95 and everything went obd-II in 96. now the F250's F350s never got maf period, they stayed speed density clear till 97 when that bodystyle was discontinued.

go hang out on the lightning forum, those guys love there speed density and feel they can produce more power on that system. MAF is not the saving grace that everyone makes it out to be. sure it will handle a bit more then SD but eventually everything needs tuned so it runs properly even MAF.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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[quote=doug1222556;6961764].

I got the cam for about 1/2 price, but now I need a cam card for it. I sent an email to Comp over the holidays, but haven't heard back. I may need to send the another one.

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Nope, the cam card was in my inbox when I got home today! Hot Dang!
 
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