460 Running Temp?
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Well not touching, just within a inch or two. I also check it several times to get an average. You are making it sound like these things don't work. Having used them over about a 20 year period, my assessment is they are better than any regular gauge out there for giving you accurate temp info.
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This thing wont stop... now its leaking again.... passenger side looks almost from the upper hose, but cfannot tell... oh and the tailpipe smells somewaht sweet and is moist.... you guys think its a head gasket?
This thing wont stop... now its leaking again.... passenger side looks almost from the upper hose, but cfannot tell... oh and the tailpipe smells somewaht sweet and is moist.... you guys think its a head gasket?
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I would look into doing a compressio check and leakdown test. Also drain some coolent and see if it has any contaminats in it, and run the motor and see if the oil looks like a milky or foam consistancy.
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well i was going to do the compression test, vaccum gauge it up, leak down... but instead i got to put in a new water heater... yay
but oil does not look milky at all nor is it foamy
i also drove it around today getting parts and what not... turns out i got it up to tempature at least 3-4 times, and it has not been leaking. this is wierd....
but oil does not look milky at all nor is it foamy
i also drove it around today getting parts and what not... turns out i got it up to tempature at least 3-4 times, and it has not been leaking. this is wierd....
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well i was going to do the compression test, vaccum gauge it up, leak down... but instead i got to put in a new water heater... yay
but oil does not look milky at all nor is it foamy
i also drove it around today getting parts and what not... turns out i got it up to tempature at least 3-4 times, and it has not been leaking. this is wierd....
but oil does not look milky at all nor is it foamy
i also drove it around today getting parts and what not... turns out i got it up to tempature at least 3-4 times, and it has not been leaking. this is wierd....
I had one that went bad on me not in a ford, but just a thought.
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Well my good friend that builds engines for a living Mike Pizel, he thinks it could be a bad water pump...
I will keep doing the tests... we will see whats up... i am not against putting new head gaskets in it though.
I will keep doing the tests... we will see whats up... i am not against putting new head gaskets in it though.
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Well, i took it for a drive after talking to Mike... upper radiator hose is really warm, the lower hose is not but just warm to the touch. I believe that the water pump has not been pumping coolant through, as i now hear a high pitched whine from it now too.
Unfortunately this does not mean i don't have a head gasket failure, but it explains it... so i will compression test tomorrow and look at all the plugs especially the back 4 cylinders... We will then see if its bad head gasket or not....
Unfortunately this does not mean i don't have a head gasket failure, but it explains it... so i will compression test tomorrow and look at all the plugs especially the back 4 cylinders... We will then see if its bad head gasket or not....
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Usually when water pumps go they leak out through a pee hole undernieth the pump shaft. Not always, cause i have seen an impeller on the pump come off a shaft. Or You thermostat may be buggered.
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T stat is new and i checked to make sure it was working... so only thing left is the water pump...
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Talking to a friend this weekend that has an older model F250, had been using the truck around the motorsports park for a good while & then took it to town one day & it ran hot, come to find out the water pump impellar was just about gone, no way to pump the coolant.
Now how could that happen, to much water in the mix rusting it away.
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Now how could that happen, to much water in the mix rusting it away.
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Talking to a friend this weekend that has an older model F250, had been using the truck around the motorsports park for a good while & then took it to town one day & it ran hot, come to find out the water pump impellar was just about gone, no way to pump the coolant.
Now how could that happen, to much water in the mix rusting it away.
Neil
Now how could that happen, to much water in the mix rusting it away.
Neil
C Leigh - I have never had this happen to me( yet), But i have seen it on a buddies areostar. His was the samething...ran really hot and we figured it had to be the pump so we took it all apart and sure enough...the impeller was basically GONE. It was an interesting sight.
The only thing I could think of how that happened is the coolant mixture wasn't correct.
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Well .... i just sold my 87 Escort project car ( bought for 80 bucks with 2 friends, sold for 800)
so i have money for the water pump!! But i have seen ford water pump inpellers shear off before, and i actually feel stupid after thinking about this, that I did not think of this...
But the compression test came out alright (low) but balanced so im just going to run a new pump in it, and Mike Pizel (builds high dollar race engines) actually recommened to me to use Bars stop leak.... i normally would never run a sealer like that, but he said for years he though the same thing, now he runs it if needed and when he goes to a tear down on an engine, that the sealer did not cause any problems!
Hopefully I am good to go! fingers crossed!
so i have money for the water pump!! But i have seen ford water pump inpellers shear off before, and i actually feel stupid after thinking about this, that I did not think of this...
But the compression test came out alright (low) but balanced so im just going to run a new pump in it, and Mike Pizel (builds high dollar race engines) actually recommened to me to use Bars stop leak.... i normally would never run a sealer like that, but he said for years he though the same thing, now he runs it if needed and when he goes to a tear down on an engine, that the sealer did not cause any problems!
Hopefully I am good to go! fingers crossed!
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Funny you should mention the stop leak deal.
This might sound crazy & an old black man told me this, but dump a tall tin of black pepper in the radiator while its cold & see what happens.
What might sound even more crazy, I've done it on three different trucks & vans & has worked every time & with no side affects at all.
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This might sound crazy & an old black man told me this, but dump a tall tin of black pepper in the radiator while its cold & see what happens.
What might sound even more crazy, I've done it on three different trucks & vans & has worked every time & with no side affects at all.
Neil
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I have heard that over time, without regular coolent changes that certian coolent can change PH and get Alkaline/acidic. This could be a cause, that and sometimes due to ground straps breaking that motors can build up electrical charges within the motor, and with ground straps breaking can cause small current charges to build up causeing a galvanic action to happen when it find a path somewhere else within the vehicle structure to exit to aground point.
I could see this happening witha water pump as you have a mostly rubber belt that rub across a pully and could develope a static charge, and if the coolent reaches some sort of salinity, could cause some sort of electrolysis.
I know this may sound all voodoo'ish, but I could see the culmination such small events taking it's toll over time leading up to a catastrophic failure. Cause Catastrophic failures are usually ot just one event, but a series of small events that build up to one final failure.
I could see this happening witha water pump as you have a mostly rubber belt that rub across a pully and could develope a static charge, and if the coolent reaches some sort of salinity, could cause some sort of electrolysis.
I know this may sound all voodoo'ish, but I could see the culmination such small events taking it's toll over time leading up to a catastrophic failure. Cause Catastrophic failures are usually ot just one event, but a series of small events that build up to one final failure.
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I have heard that over time, without regular coolent changes that certian coolent can change PH and get Alkaline/acidic. This could be a cause, that and sometimes due to ground straps breaking that motors can build up electrical charges within the motor, and with ground straps breaking can cause small current charges to build up causeing a galvanic action to happen when it find a path somewhere else within the vehicle structure to exit to aground point.
I could see this happening witha water pump as you have a mostly rubber belt that rub across a pully and could develope a static charge, and if the coolent reaches some sort of salinity, could cause some sort of electrolysis.
I know this may sound all voodoo'ish, but I could see the culmination such small events taking it's toll over time leading up to a catastrophic failure. Cause Catastrophic failures are usually ot just one event, but a series of small events that build up to one final failure.
I could see this happening witha water pump as you have a mostly rubber belt that rub across a pully and could develope a static charge, and if the coolent reaches some sort of salinity, could cause some sort of electrolysis.
I know this may sound all voodoo'ish, but I could see the culmination such small events taking it's toll over time leading up to a catastrophic failure. Cause Catastrophic failures are usually ot just one event, but a series of small events that build up to one final failure.
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