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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 02:27 AM
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Question Explorer 8.8 rear end

I started to mount the rear end on my truck today. Then realized that it was made to mount on top of the springs. But in order to day that, I would have to C-notch the frame...which I don't want to do. I want to mount it to the bottom of my lowering springs. I just need the mounts on the rear end to be on the other side. I was told that you could just cut them off and move them to the top. Well, neither me nor my dad are that good with the torch yet, so I don't want to try it. Does anyone know where I can get a new set, or at least the name of it and I can look for them myself. Thanks.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 06:44 AM
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The other way to get them off is to use a cutting wheel of a 4-4 1/2" grinder jsut cut the welds and grind the rest smooth just be careful not to cut too deep into the axle housing. Summit, Midfifty, and many others carry the axle pads you will have to grind some off them to make them fit the explorer's axle due to it being larger than 3". Even if you wanted to have your spring pads on top the Explorer set-up is more than likely too wide/narrow & the pinion angle may be off.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 07:59 AM
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Hey Tiger-

Pete & Jakes should have what you need and they can weld the new ones on if you want.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Thanks guys. I did find them after I searched for spring pads. The spring perches are what I need.

LEckart, I called them yesterday and he was saying that I needed to mount it on top of the spring and C-notch the frame. But he kept saying that if you have drop spindles for the front then you have to in order to even the back out. But I looked at my order for the front end and it's not drop spindles. So I guess I could call them back and get what I need. I think I'm going to let my dad try to weld them on though. He's confident in his welding abilities. We're fabricating a gas tank mount today, and depending on how that goes (with his "welding skills) will depend on if I make a trip out to Pete & Jakes.

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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Hi Tiger,
I see that you have already solved your problem. However, as a general note to others that will encounter your situation, I have a suggestion. We have a trailer parts place here that sells all sorts of stuff lie spring perches and the like. They are a lot cheaper than the other sources. I am sure these kind of places are located elsewhere. Sometimes you just have to look for them.

If you are ever thinking about cutting them off don't worry about doing it. The axel tubes are very thick and it is very easy to cut them off. There are a number of ways to do it. You just have to be carefull with how you do it if you want to re-use them. If were going to save them I would probably start with grinding the excess weld away and then using a thin cutting wheel. I would finish with a cutting torch or a plasma cutter. Don't worry about the heat, I have done this lots of times and never hurt anything.

Later Man...
I am curious about something. Did the perches happen to be spaced right to fit the current leaf spring set up you have. I was thinking they were different. Just curious...

Later Man...
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger_698
Thanks guys. I did find them after I searched for spring pads. The spring perches are what I need.

LEckart, I called them yesterday and he was saying that I needed to mount it on top of the spring and C-notch the frame. But he kept saying that if you have drop spindles for the front then you have to in order to even the back out. But I looked at my order for the front end and it's not drop spindles. So I guess I could call them back and get what I need. I think I'm going to let my dad try to weld them on though. He's confident in his welding abilities. We're fabricating a gas tank mount today, and depending on how that goes (with his "welding skills) will depend on if I make a trip out to Pete & Jakes.

Thanks!!!
You can put the rear end on top of the springs without a C-notch if you use non-stock springs. I have done this a couple of times. I used 87 Chrysler 5th Avenue springs on my 48 and 90 Dodge D-50 springs on my 49. By using 'L' brackets mounted to the side of the frame rails you can place the springs lower on the frame than in the stock position giving you extra travel. I have about three to four inches of travel on both trucks. Also, unless you already have the front suspension in and engine and transmission mounted, you should bolt the rear end in without welding the perches so that you can later rotate it to the proper pinion angle. After the pinion angle is set, tack weld the perches and then remove it for final welding. If you try to weld the perches on now if will be a harder to set the pinion angle later and you may have to use shims to do it. Placing the rear axle above the springs will get you about 5-6 inches lower than stock. Even without dropped spindles in the front, the rear end is going to be higher than the front so you need all the lowering you can get back there to get the truck close to level...
 
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dave boley

I am curious about something. Did the perches happen to be spaced right to fit the current leaf spring set up you have. I was thinking they were different. Just curious...

Later Man...
I just kind of eye balled it because I wasn't welding anything in yet, but it looked like it was only a fraction of an inch off. But if I need to wait until I get more stuff on there to get the pinion angle right, it will be a while before I know for sure. I still have another month before the engine arrives.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger_698
I just kind of eye balled it because I wasn't welding anything in yet, but it looked like it was only a fraction of an inch off. But if I need to wait until I get more stuff on there to get the pinion angle right, it will be a while before I know for sure. I still have another month before the engine arrives.
Like I said, it was just a matter of curiosity. I never get that lucky. It seems like I always have to modify or move something just a bit.. It's not that I mind the work, it just seems like a waste of time whin I have to do the same amount of work to move something a quarter of an inch as opposed to five or six inches. Of couse that never stops me from doing what is needed.

Later Man...
 
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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I put mine on top of the axle and now my rear is pretty high to the height of the front. I wish I had left them on the bottom. I since have taken out three leafs to lower the rear and it is still about three inches more than I would like.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 09:07 PM
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What type springs are you using; I had Ranger springs on my 55 and had about 3-4" between the tire I fender. I've since install the TCI lowered leaf kit and put the axle on top of the springs & I didn't C-notch my frame I purchased the kit however, after I saw another member who installed the same kit in a 53 or 54 and didn't C-notch his frame I left it alone and haven't had any problems with the axle bottoming out on the frame. I have a before (Ranger springs) & after (TCI) photos in my gallery "frame swap"
 
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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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I ordered Posies springs with a 3" drop. Now I'm afraid I should have ordered a bigger drop. But we'll see when I get it on there. I'll have to look at your pics with my dad in the room. He said that the guy that told me you could mount it on top was smoking crack. He says there's no way to do it. Looks like you got it done though!!!
 
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