Hi all, new member here. Sorry for the long post, but I have many questions.

My names Ben, and I know this is a truck forum, but the heart of my project is near and dear to this forum.

I own an Australian ute, a 1978. It used to be Cleveland powered, but the block was past used by. I am into racing and also the show circiut and was looking for something rather differant. I settled on a V10 and while the Aussie dollar had some strength I pounced and bought a '07 3V, almost complete to do my conversion.

The last 6 months I have been scouring the net looking for info, I have found a heap and learnt more than all my years of schooling, BUT, it is certainly not over.

The engine landed here and I finally got to crawl over it, pull bits off and have a good look with the aid of a boreascope. All look well for me to forge on.

I have found a number of sites that have helped, but I feel here is going to be the best.

I am well aware that this is not a popular engine for performance, but it is not just about power, I want some WOOOOW factor, the V10 was never relased here, and I have not yet found a complete twin turbo build with final results.

The plan so far (and this is flexible!)

Custom manifold to accept boost,
FMIC
upgraded fuel injectors and rails, pump and lines
two front low mounted turbos into a single stock TB (one MAF)
C6 trans.

Initially I just want to get it running on pretty much no boost, 1-3PSI region to sort out any bugs and get the tune safe and sorted. Then build a low comp engine with all the fruit before trying to get some better HP figures. At the end of the day, if I can make in the region of 500RWHP (after build) I will be more than happy, heck, even 400 and I would be happy, the grin just would not be as big!

Where I am at now.

The engine is here, need to find a plenum style manifold any help finding a supplier would be great!
Make, brand and lb rating of suggested injectors, in fact, open to all suggesation for fuel system. (I ahve more questions on this later)
My engine did not come with a harness or controler, is there after market products available, I have been onto MSD and no help there for this engine, MOTEC and HALTEC want certain body parts I am not willing to part with, so I am looking for other options.
Exhaust manifolds, I have stock cast ones, are there header types one out there for the 3V?

Space, it's one thing I have, due to the Mod design being so wide, my front suspension is being upgraded to a coil over design, this removes the need for an inner guard and shock tower. I have plenty of room in the bay.

Points I am aware of as to why this is not a good idea, but will endevour to resolve.
Rods and pistons are not up to the level I want (Sullivans can help me there!)
These engiens do not like detonation, so I have to stay super safe on the tune
2V had plug issues (got a 3V)
2V also had issue with the coolant jumper corroding, dumping into the manifold runner (plastic manifold, with seperate coolant jumper)
These do not rev hard, but as I have said to others that question this, if you can make the same HP without ringing it's neck, why ring it's neck!
Trans managemt, I want to keep it auto and was planing on running a really good C4 I have, but many have said it will never last, so I opted for the C6, one reason, it's available here and there are planty of parts for them,
secondly, its a hydraulic box, with no managment needed. I have been looking very closly at the Gear Vendors to gain overdrive and make it more comfortable on the open road.
Milage is average at best, but I am not attempting this for economy, it's a Sunday driver for club envent and shows.



Phew, sorry, I have alot to get off my chest!

My main aim, is I need an engine harness to suit, and or an Engine managment, where can I buy stock version if needed to set this up NA before going turbo's, What after market management is there?

I have tried a number of wiring companies, all have said no! Even if there is a site like pick a part that specilises in parts to suit this engine would be greatly appreciated.

In return I will be sure to post pics and updates of a US heart beating down under! (corny I know but I can't just leave!)

Cheers Ben

 

There are a few guys I know of that are "down under" that can help you out with the tuning and probably several other things with that build.
Barry at BPT Motorsports is one of them. He's around the Perth area.
As for a manifold-you're stuck with a factory piece or custom built. NOBODY that I know of makes an aftermarket intake for a V10.
JL

 

Thanks Mr Langton, I keep hearing that.

I know Barry's shop, had a few dyno days there. He is a performance Ford specialist.

Parts are almost impossible to get here, and finiding even a second hand harness has been fruitless without know what companies part out these trucks in the US.

I have been thinking of the posibilities of useing a 5.4l harness and splicing in for the two extra coils and injectors, without knowing alot about them it should work, I have been trying to put the answers to that question too!

 

Use Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market to find a donor harness/parts for the swap. Many of the yards that list on there will ship parts.
JL

 

Thank you so very much! apart from eBay it has been slow going, many of the items listed there don't include controler or harness as they are "swap" type engines.

I will go over that link tonight when I get home from work.

Currently talking with Hogans Racing manifolds, they don't have one available, but have given me the spec sheets to see if we can design one.

Honestly, I think it would be better to have some plates laser cut and make one here.

What would be the suggested system used if a stock controller is used? Are there quality piggy back type systems that can plug into the factory box and allow better tuning capabilities, or is the factory controller up to the job in the hands of someone like Barry?

 

The OEM PCM is very powerful and can be setup to control 800-900rwhp easily with the proper supporting hardware. Barry is an SCT dealer I believe,and he can get access to the software for whatever PCM you end up with for the swap-he's a member of a community of tuners that have unsurpassed support from an OEM calibrator.
JL

 

Thanks, I called Barry today, but he was out, will have another shot tomorrow.

In the mean time, I am looking for stock ECU and harness, I am now looking for parts I know little of.

Using the above link I have found a list of possible matches, some I see that most look like what I am after are

Elec Cont Unit (ECU), 10-415 (6.8L), std emis (Fed), ID 6C3A-CUA and CUB
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), 10-415 (6.8L), std emis (Fed), ID 5C3A-MRA
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), 10-415 (6.8L), low emis, ID 5C3A-NNA

Can someone assist with breaking down these codes, I am fine right up to the emissions part, I am guessing it would be standard.

Can I narrow down the search from a part number off the engine? All the supplied info I recieved from the seller was it was a late '07 - early'08. Most part numbers are intact, including the small paper one on the fuel cross over line. Can one of these help cross referance which controller is needed. I would think I can't just use any 6.8l one.

Thanks in advance, Ben

 

You can use any of the 3V V10 processors from '05-'08.The engines are identical in every way mechanically and electrically. The differences will be in the simple calibrations for which trans it has,and the emissions level for the area that the truck it originally came out of is from. it'd probably be better to get one for an auto trans truck,the auto trans functions can be turned off in the software if you're going to use a manual trans with it.
JL

 

AH thats some good info. Any idea which of the codes denotes the engine ages/year?

I see on the list for the 5.4's AT or MT for manual or auto, but not on the V10's.

If Barry can't supply a suitable ECU, I will go for a second hand one, and take it back for him to set up.

Thanks again for your time, you have been incredibly helpful to keeping this moving forward.

 

I just did a quick search for '05,and it does break it down by AT or MT. The last digits in the list are the OEM calibration level for the PCM. I'd use the one marked:
<label for="31">Elec Cont Unit (ECU), 10-415 (6.8L), std emis (Fed), AT, ID 5C3A-JAB</label>

JL

 

Perfect, I will see whats out there for that model, and it gives me something to quote Barry tomorrow.

While I am on photobucket, a couple of pics.

The engien the day it arrived.


and the ute, a 1978 XC falcon, if your a mad max (Road Warrior) fan, its the model after the black coupe Mel got around in....and a utility!

 

Hell yeah man, that's gonna be a fun one when it's done. You guys have all kinds of cool toys "down under"....
JL

 

VERY nice

Keep one thing in mind, and that's that if you find parts and the seller won't ship overseas, I can USPS Priority Mail you stuff if you want. You can get the stuff drop-shipped to me, and I'll repackage and ship it out to you. Just an FTE'er doing another FTE'er a favor


A flat-rate box up to 20 pounds to Australia is only $39US. Let's see if this link works: Postage Price Calculator

 

Thanks very much guys, there is alot going on with this project, and some just have to come ex US, so the offer may be taken up on freight.

My new chassis clip and four link set up is due to arrive today, then work can continue on the rear while I am sorting out the pointy end.

Will keep you updated.

 

Righto, got a plan with Barry for the ECU and harness, hopefuly that pays off in the near future.

I do have some more questions.

Reading through some other posts, I noticed the 2V version has a return style fuel rail, one rail ontop of the other. Mine is a single tube, I am guessing non return. Giving my plans, would I be better off building a return set up with a adjustable regulator?

Are the Cobra or Lightening injectors interchangable? and would mine be low or high impedance, I am findinding mixed results for searches.

Fianlly, is there a site wehre I can search Ford part numbers to confirm what I have and the serial of my engine, the sticker is gone from the rocker cover, Barry says it can be found from other numbers, ie heads, intake fuel rails and so on. I would just like to know where I can find that info.

Cheers Ben