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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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1984 eec IV or III ?

I just got a 1984 Bronco 6 cyl, 1 bbl carb, 4 speed manual. It runs real bad. I have searched this site and found out about the web site fordfuelinjection.com and went there to read up on eecs. There is a label under the hood that says I should have a EEC IV and after checking I found out I have a EEC III. What is the right EEC for this year of Bronco? If this Bronco is suppose to have a EEC IV can I just go to a junkyard a get a EEC and the wire harness off a truck or Bronco with the same motor,trans and carb? This is a Calif. model. Thanks Al
 
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84 will be Duraspark/EEC III. EEC IV is strictly for fuel injected cars and light trucks beginning in about 86 for California models and 87 everywhere else. Ford cars had EFI a little earlier than the trucks.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Thanks greystreak92. Where can I find out more about the Duraspark/EEC III? The wiring is full of crimped connectors and is a mess. When I try to hook up all the vacum lines to the smog system the Bronco runs worst than before I hooked everything up. Now I am going off the diagram that is next to the sticker that says I should have a EEC IV. Do I have the wrong information and where can I get the right vacum diagram? I have a Haynes Repair Manual and that is not a very good Manual for what I need. Is there a better source than a Haynes book? Again thanks for the reply. Al
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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My 1985 1 bbl carb f-150 is the eec III and if needed i can do u a diagram (picture) and email it TR
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Ford XLT
My 1985 1 bbl carb f-150 is the eec III and if needed i can do u a diagram (picture) and email it TR
Here is my email address. quad350rider@yahoo.com thanks. I can send you some pictures of what I have and you will see why I am asking.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by greystreak92
84 will be Duraspark/EEC III. EEC IV is strictly for fuel injected cars and light trucks beginning in about 86 for California models and 87 everywhere else. Ford cars had EFI a little earlier than the trucks.
I just found out today that Ford made a 84 Bronco with TFI-EEC IV for California. The only Duraspark system Ford used in California was the DS1 and the DS3. What I learned was that I have parts of 2 systems in my Bronco. To go with TFI all I would need to do is get a harness and EEC IV from a truck or Broco with what I have and install. I don't know what I would need to go Duraspark. I would guess I would need to go with DS3.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 12:12 AM
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Wow, that's a new one even for me. Was not aware of that setup at all. Its gotta be a strange hybrid of the two systems (EEC III & IV) Duraspark parts aren't likely to even be present in that setup. I'd sure like to know what parts were used and how the setup looked. Obviously I can't be of much more help to you. I have a great reference book for Ford's ignition and engine control systems called aptly enough Ford Fuel Injection. I forget who wrote it but I;ll look it up and let you know. The book covers everything from early Duraspark though EEC III, EEC IV and OBDII.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by greystreak92
Wow, that's a new one even for me. Was not aware of that setup at all. Its gotta be a strange hybrid of the two systems (EEC III & IV) Duraspark parts aren't likely to even be present in that setup. I'd sure like to know what parts were used and how the setup looked. Obviously I can't be of much more help to you. I have a great reference book for Ford's ignition and engine control systems called aptly enough Ford Fuel Injection. I forget who wrote it but I;ll look it up and let you know. The book covers everything from early Duraspark though EEC III, EEC IV and OBDII.
You have to remember that I don't know very much and I am learning. From what I read, if I have a duraspark system I would not have a distributor with a ICM attached to it. I don't have vacum advance. I have the square coil and I think that having that distributor and coil I have half of the TFI-EEC IV. All I need is the EEC IV to go with it. Thanks Al
 
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 08:43 AM
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I'll help you out Greystreak. The book is Ford Fuel Injection and Electronic Engine Control by Charles Probst. It is indeed, a great book. mine's right here.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 12:11 AM
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That's it, NWBronco. I can't find my copy of it. Have a feeling my brother "borrowed" it.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by greystreak92
Wow, that's a new one even for me. Was not aware of that setup at all. Its gotta be a strange hybrid of the two systems (EEC III & IV) Duraspark parts aren't likely to even be present in that setup. I'd sure like to know what parts were used and how the setup looked. Obviously I can't be of much more help to you. I have a great reference book for Ford's ignition and engine control systems called aptly enough Ford Fuel Injection. I forget who wrote it but I;ll look it up and let you know. The book covers everything from early Duraspark though EEC III, EEC IV and OBDII.
I just reread your reply and I would say that I am confused as what I should have as a complete system. As I said the tag says I should have a EEC IV with a feed back carb and that is all I know in regards as what should be there. From my research so far TFI is the distributor with the ICM bolted on it with the square coil and that is what I have.The book you talked about does it list what Ford used in their California models for 1984? I talked to Ford and they don't have anything that far back. I understand that someone could have replaced some parts on the front and I could have the wrong tag. That is why I asked what a 84 Bronco Cailfornia model would have in it. From what I know which is little is that the only thing on my Bronco that supports Duraspark is the EEC III that I have and everything else doesn't. That is why I said I have 2 different systems in my Bronco. I didn't say Ford put it there. I still don't know what DS 3 is or what makes up that system and it was used in California models. I don't know what years they used it. I am going to go to a few wrecking yards in the next few days and try to find a 84 or newer from Calif. with a 6 and carb and see what is there. Again thanks for the help. Al
 
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What is the Engine code in your VIN? It's the 8th character.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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What is the Engine code in your VIN? It's the 8th character.
The vin is 1FMEU15YEL921956. Hope that helps. There is a guy on the 6 cly. forums on this site and he has a 85,6cyl,carb,TFI and in Calif. and he is going to see what EEC he has and let me know. That should get me close. Unless the Y in the vin tells you what I need to know. Thanks. Al
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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You have what's called a CFI setup. It is very possible you have the EEC-IV, it'd be a late '84 Cali model. It's the CFI setup that's throwing you. It's still EFI, the injectors are a part of the feedback carb.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NWBronco
You have what's called a CFI setup. It is very possible you have the EEC-IV, it'd be a late '84 Cali model. It's the CFI setup that's throwing you. It's still EFI, the injectors are a part of the feedback carb.
Thanks. I think I sent you a picture of my carb via email is that the right carb? Is CFI and TFI the same? If different then what makes a CFI system or I should ask what should I have there to make it a CFI. There is a round thing hooked up to the carb with 4 or 5 wires to it is that what controls the gas as in fuel injection? Thanks for all your help. Al I just noticed that you are not the one I sent the email to. If it would help I can send you a picture of my carb. Here is my email address. quad350rider@yahoo.com
 
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