20 lpm Hydrogen Injection
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I have had small gains with my gasser but I want more more more!
Third Question:
If the injection of hydrogen lowers my emissions, will removing my catalytic converter increase my MPG?
Side Note: I need my truck to pull my 37 foot camper, which I live in full time.
Thanks
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i believe you are a tad confused..... hydrogen IS a fuel.
now NOS on the other hand, is something that us diesel guys have an advantage over you gassers with because we DON'T have to achieve any stoichiometric ratios with our fuel, so there is NO danger of running lean when we inject nitrous... Nitrous is an OXIDIZER, unlike hydrogen, propane, diesel, or gasoline, which are all FUEL.
if you were to add NOS to a gas motor w/out adding an additional amount of fuel to burn , you then run the risk of burning dangerously lean.
adding hydrogen (FUEL) to an already rich mixture will not do anything to help burn unburnt fuel, since you are adding even more fuel. now you would just have even more unburnt fuel.
anytime you see black smoke coming from a diesel, you are seeing excess fuel that has not been completely burned. this is a situation where the gains from NOS can be seen because it will allow for all of this fuel to be burned and take advantage of the extra power instead of just releasing it to the atmosphere
now NOS on the other hand, is something that us diesel guys have an advantage over you gassers with because we DON'T have to achieve any stoichiometric ratios with our fuel, so there is NO danger of running lean when we inject nitrous... Nitrous is an OXIDIZER, unlike hydrogen, propane, diesel, or gasoline, which are all FUEL.
if you were to add NOS to a gas motor w/out adding an additional amount of fuel to burn , you then run the risk of burning dangerously lean.
adding hydrogen (FUEL) to an already rich mixture will not do anything to help burn unburnt fuel, since you are adding even more fuel. now you would just have even more unburnt fuel.
anytime you see black smoke coming from a diesel, you are seeing excess fuel that has not been completely burned. this is a situation where the gains from NOS can be seen because it will allow for all of this fuel to be burned and take advantage of the extra power instead of just releasing it to the atmosphere
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Thanks LVTitan,
I have had small gains with my gasser but I want more more more!
Third Question:
If the injection of hydrogen lowers my emissions, will removing my catalytic converter increase my MPG?
Side Note: I need my truck to pull my 37 foot camper, which I live in full time.
Thanks
I have had small gains with my gasser but I want more more more!
Third Question:
If the injection of hydrogen lowers my emissions, will removing my catalytic converter increase my MPG?
Side Note: I need my truck to pull my 37 foot camper, which I live in full time.
Thanks
Also, I doubt the hydrogen is igniting during the intake stroke, your engine would not be running very at all, and you'd probably end up blowing the intake manifold to pieces, or at least blasting a few vacuum lines off.
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Thanks Lead Head.
I have ordered a small 4 stroke motor. I am working on a 100% Hydrogen Gas Vehicle.
I am also making Pure Hydrogen via Solar Panels. The work I'm doing on the truck will assist me for the 100% conversion. It may turn out that the 6.8 liter engine is way too big for Hydrogen Gas. Hydrogen liquid vehicles are 10 - 15 years away unless the Feds treat the energy crisis as a National Security Issue. I can make the gas myself so that's the way to go, for me.
I have ordered a small 4 stroke motor. I am working on a 100% Hydrogen Gas Vehicle.
I am also making Pure Hydrogen via Solar Panels. The work I'm doing on the truck will assist me for the 100% conversion. It may turn out that the 6.8 liter engine is way too big for Hydrogen Gas. Hydrogen liquid vehicles are 10 - 15 years away unless the Feds treat the energy crisis as a National Security Issue. I can make the gas myself so that's the way to go, for me.
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Thanks Lead Head.
I have ordered a small 4 stroke motor. I am working on a 100% Hydrogen Gas Vehicle.
I am also making Pure Hydrogen via Solar Panels. The work I'm doing on the truck will assist me for the 100% conversion. It may turn out that the 6.8 liter engine is way too big for Hydrogen Gas. Hydrogen liquid vehicles are 10 - 15 years away unless the Feds treat the energy crisis as a National Security Issue. I can make the gas myself so that's the way to go, for me.
I have ordered a small 4 stroke motor. I am working on a 100% Hydrogen Gas Vehicle.
I am also making Pure Hydrogen via Solar Panels. The work I'm doing on the truck will assist me for the 100% conversion. It may turn out that the 6.8 liter engine is way too big for Hydrogen Gas. Hydrogen liquid vehicles are 10 - 15 years away unless the Feds treat the energy crisis as a National Security Issue. I can make the gas myself so that's the way to go, for me.
Ford has a Hydrogen-Powered V10, but it uses a supercharger to push enough air into the cylinders to make up for the power loss. Even then, I don't think it comes up to the levels of gasoline.
If anything, you'd need an even LARGER engine to put out the same power as a gasoline-powered V10, if you are not going with forced-induction.
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And unfortunately, you'll have to convert your 37 foot camper into a massive hydrogen gas tank to have any kind of range.....
The energy density of hydrogen gas is horribly low compared to liquid petroleums.
The energy density of hydrogen gas is horribly low compared to liquid petroleums.
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Again, there is not enough oxygen in plain "air" to run hydrogen at anywhere the power levels of gasoline.
Ford has a Hydrogen-Powered V10, but it uses a supercharger to push enough air into the cylinders to make up for the power loss. Even then, I don't think it comes up to the levels of gasoline.
If anything, you'd need an even LARGER engine to put out the same power as a gasoline-powered V10, if you are not going with forced-induction.
Ford has a Hydrogen-Powered V10, but it uses a supercharger to push enough air into the cylinders to make up for the power loss. Even then, I don't think it comes up to the levels of gasoline.
If anything, you'd need an even LARGER engine to put out the same power as a gasoline-powered V10, if you are not going with forced-induction.
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I didn't make the test run with 20LPM of HHO because my idle data showed a higher efficiency with 100% Hydrogen. I could easily make a run with HHO at a flow rate of 40 LPM. Maybe 100 Hydrogen is better at idle and HHO is better at cruise. Hmmm. I think that will be my next test run. 40 LPM of HHO, here we come!
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I didn't make the test run with 20LPM of HHO because my idle data showed a higher efficiency with 100% Hydrogen. I could easily make a run with HHO at a flow rate of 40 LPM. Maybe 100 Hydrogen is better at idle and HHO is better at cruise. Hmmm. I think that will be my next test run. 40 LPM of HHO, here we come!
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Lead Head,
By pre-ignition I'm talking about ignition during the intake stroke. I'm thinking that maybe the carbon deposits may act like hot coals and the platinum spark plugs may be igniting the hydrogen during the intake stroke. This would explain why I get a 29% increase in efficiency at idle (during free wheel). Hydrogen is highly flammable, it can be ignited by heat, static discharge or hot plugs. What do you think about injecting cold vapor or steam to prevent ignition during the intake stoke? And what do you think about changing the plugs from platinum to el cheap o?
By pre-ignition I'm talking about ignition during the intake stroke. I'm thinking that maybe the carbon deposits may act like hot coals and the platinum spark plugs may be igniting the hydrogen during the intake stroke. This would explain why I get a 29% increase in efficiency at idle (during free wheel). Hydrogen is highly flammable, it can be ignited by heat, static discharge or hot plugs. What do you think about injecting cold vapor or steam to prevent ignition during the intake stoke? And what do you think about changing the plugs from platinum to el cheap o?
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