Honest opinion, please
Hotshot
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From: Pa
The problem is doing what you mentioned voids the warrenty, violates federal emmisions laws and is brutal on the other driveline parts of the truck. Still cool though.....
Post Fiend
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Gotta throw the BS flag here. You might find some spec that says something like that on paper, but in reality, a diesel out-tows a gasser period.
Hotshot
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From: Pa
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From: horicon Wi
Don't get me wrong I still think that's pretty incredible.
But I'm sticking with my 7.3L.
Post Fiend
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EDIT: "People like me".... LMAO!!! What's that supposed to mean? I'm just stating facts -- there's nothing wrong with a V10 at all, but don't try convincing me it's as capable of a puller.
Post Fiend
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That's right, but it's too early to tell if someone can tweak it to bring the MPGs up. Yes, stock against stock the 6.4s are sucking -- but a little tweaking and I'm thinking it's over.
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From: horicon Wi
It's not pointless -- a statement like that is misleading as hell. It sounds like you're the one trying to start a debate. Hook 14.5k to a V10 and my truck, and see who out pulls who, and who gets what mileage. **I'm** not trying to stir the pot here, but just because a V10 CAN pull a few hundred pounds more than the 7.3 doesn't mean it does it well or nearly as efficiently. It's a simple GVWR issue. Because the diesel weighs a little more by itself, you lose a little off the GVWR. That's all that number is about. All other things being equal, the diesel wins pulling loads. Otherwise, you'd see gassers in semis and in sled pulls. LOL...
EDIT: "People like me".... LMAO!!! What's that supposed to mean? I'm just stating facts -- there's nothing wrong with a V10 at all, but don't try convincing me it's as capable of a puller.
EDIT: "People like me".... LMAO!!! What's that supposed to mean? I'm just stating facts -- there's nothing wrong with a V10 at all, but don't try convincing me it's as capable of a puller.
Or why Farm Equipment, Construction equipment or Heavy Equipment uses diesels 99% of the time. Because of the reliability, the power and the TORQUE horse power don't mean much when towing, it's the touque that means every thing in pulling. Diesels produce more toruqe than gassers, not to mention that in Diesels most of the torque comes at way lower RPM's than Gassers.
Hotshot
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From: Pa
It's not pointless -- a statement like that is misleading as hell. It sounds like you're the one trying to start a debate. Hook 14.5k to a V10 and my truck, and see who out pulls who, and who gets what mileage. **I'm** not trying to stir the pot here, but just because a V10 CAN pull a few hundred pounds more than the 7.3 doesn't mean it does it well or nearly as efficiently. It's a simple GVWR issue. Because the diesel weighs a little more by itself, you lose a little off the GVWR. That's all that number is about. All other things being equal, the diesel wins pulling loads. Otherwise, you'd see gassers in semis and in sled pulls. LOL...
EDIT: "People like me".... LMAO!!! What's that supposed to mean? I'm just stating facts -- there's nothing wrong with a V10 at all, but don't try convincing me it's as capable of a puller.
EDIT: "People like me".... LMAO!!! What's that supposed to mean? I'm just stating facts -- there's nothing wrong with a V10 at all, but don't try convincing me it's as capable of a puller.
Well this thread is now crap, good job. Just was trying to give the guy some Facts. I'm out.
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Post Fiend
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Why do gasser guys immediately think it's some kind of ego thing? I've said it many times, including here: THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH A GASSER! I drive too many miles a day to have a V10. Heavy loads + long distances = diesel. If you only need it occasionally, and don't pull far, go with it, if it "floats your boat". I'd get a diesel anyway, but that's because I've been around them nearly all my adult life, and that's what I prefer, and that's me being honest. The guy wanted honesty, not deceiving statements based on paper specs because of GVWR.
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From: horicon Wi
Wow this thread has really been derailed.
EDIT: DKF if you are still reading this thread I propose a TOW-OFF 12k lbs 100 miles NO PERFORMANCE MODS. Full tank start at the end of the 100 miles the one who uses the least amount of fuel wins.
EDIT: DKF if you are still reading this thread I propose a TOW-OFF 12k lbs 100 miles NO PERFORMANCE MODS. Full tank start at the end of the 100 miles the one who uses the least amount of fuel wins.
Token Redneck
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I'm always open to new numbers, and if you have them on paper, why don't you prove it? Where did you find 5th wheel capacitied differentiated by engine? Every number I've seen from Ford (on bed capacity) is always broken down into box length and cab type. The only engine break down is when you look at GCWR for an engine/gearing combo (in that breakdown, the diesels are rated for more with the same gearing over the V10)
And if you don't want to give missleading facts based on 'paper specs; then don't make statements backed by them.
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Okay, I went and looked at my towing guide. This is for 2002, my CrewCab SRW 4x2 circled in red...
IF you have 4.30 gears ina V10, you can tow 400 more lbs. than me on the fiver. Put in 3.73s like mine, and I have you by almost 3000 lbs... And that's because the GVWR is the same if you have 4.30s, but I outweigh you, so I lose the 400 lbs in towing capacity. So, if somebody wants to knit-pick specs, there they are. I still wouldn't want to pull 13k+ with a V10 for long distances.
EDIT: I wouldn't want to pay the fuel bill for a V10 with 4.30s, especially pulling 13.6k...
IF you have 4.30 gears ina V10, you can tow 400 more lbs. than me on the fiver. Put in 3.73s like mine, and I have you by almost 3000 lbs... And that's because the GVWR is the same if you have 4.30s, but I outweigh you, so I lose the 400 lbs in towing capacity. So, if somebody wants to knit-pick specs, there they are. I still wouldn't want to pull 13k+ with a V10 for long distances.
EDIT: I wouldn't want to pay the fuel bill for a V10 with 4.30s, especially pulling 13.6k...
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From: Monroe VA
I get 17mpg going to and from work with my 7.3 with the mod's in my sig,and more than that on the highway. I dont tow real heavy but I tow often and get 12mpg at the least.
On edit I posted on this thread on the first page and didnt see the turn that this thread took. I have only been around 27 years and was raised up on a farm and around a quite a few 2ton trucks(mostly gasser's). Any and every gasser I have ever seen got way worse gas mileage towing the same amount of weight as a diesel. It's not an ego thing, its just basic knowledge IMO. My buddy's pops has a '05 chevy gasser and I can get better mileage pulling the same amount of weight ALL DAY LONG. I pull their trencher on their trailer all the time. It goes back to the old saying of..What looks good on paper doesnt always work in real life! Enough of my opinion though. To the OP, you got to look at how often and how much weight you will be towing to justify your need for a diesel. I know plenty of farmers that just wont fork out the money for a diesel.
On edit I posted on this thread on the first page and didnt see the turn that this thread took. I have only been around 27 years and was raised up on a farm and around a quite a few 2ton trucks(mostly gasser's). Any and every gasser I have ever seen got way worse gas mileage towing the same amount of weight as a diesel. It's not an ego thing, its just basic knowledge IMO. My buddy's pops has a '05 chevy gasser and I can get better mileage pulling the same amount of weight ALL DAY LONG. I pull their trencher on their trailer all the time. It goes back to the old saying of..What looks good on paper doesnt always work in real life! Enough of my opinion though. To the OP, you got to look at how often and how much weight you will be towing to justify your need for a diesel. I know plenty of farmers that just wont fork out the money for a diesel.
Tuned
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From: ind. (kc)
hi, op, ihave 3 v10's and am well pleased with them. one is a 04' 4x4 f450 cc auto that i pull almost 20k all over a hilly cityit does great. now it gets about 7-8 mpg towing intown[stop lights and all] my gvw[truck& trailer& excavtor& tools& parts]is pushing 30k.could i use more power yes, but when i'm pulling a hill & think "wish i had more" i look down & i 'm going the speed limit.i know only desiels can tow but it depends onwhat you want. i got a great deal because nobody wanted a v10, it was 2yr old f450 with 22k miles on it, has leather,cc ,4x4for $22,000.a like truck with a 6.0psd was 40k +.my frend has a '04 f550& get only about 10mpg [both have 4.88 gears].so both motors have their place . figure out what you need/want & don't look back. bseg barry