GM approached Ford.
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But that was not the case for nearly 20 years. When Ford, ChryCo and GM built crap, peeps went elsewhere and bought Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans.
By the late 1990's, the Japanese OWNED the US car market...they still do today, and IMO will continue to do so. It'll take a miracle for Ford/GM/ChryCo to get back the car market.
When peeps get good service from their Japanese vehicles, why would they go back and buy vehicles from the so-called Big 3, the vehicles they used to own?
btw: Besides Consumer Reports, other car related rags...er mags like Motor Spend and Car & Drivel say ChryCo's quality is terrible...especially the interiors.
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Quite true...now, at least for Ford and GM.
But that was not the case for nearly 20 years. When Ford, ChryCo and GM built crap, peeps went elsewhere and bought Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans.
By the late 1990's, the Japanese OWNED the US car market...they still do today, and IMO will continue to do so. It'll take a miracle for Ford/GM/ChryCo to get back the car market.
When peeps get good service from their Japanese vehicles, why would they go back and buy vehicles from the so-called Big 3, the vehicles they used to own?
btw: Besides Consumer Reports, other car related rags...er mags like Motor Spend and Car & Drivel say ChryCo's quality is terrible...especially the interiors.
But that was not the case for nearly 20 years. When Ford, ChryCo and GM built crap, peeps went elsewhere and bought Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans.
By the late 1990's, the Japanese OWNED the US car market...they still do today, and IMO will continue to do so. It'll take a miracle for Ford/GM/ChryCo to get back the car market.
When peeps get good service from their Japanese vehicles, why would they go back and buy vehicles from the so-called Big 3, the vehicles they used to own?
btw: Besides Consumer Reports, other car related rags...er mags like Motor Spend and Car & Drivel say ChryCo's quality is terrible...especially the interiors.
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Since I am in the service business, I currently own 12 vehicles, all of them are FORDS. Other than a 1987 F-150, all of them have been flawless. We have bought Fords since 1963 and have never once thought about changing. I do not care where the parts are made or assembled, I want my money to stay here, the USA, with an AMERICAN owned car company. According to my dealer, Toyota is allowed to play by different rules. They have a younger work force and no labor union. Ford and Chevy cannot compete with this. You can blame the labor union and high wages for some of this. For those that say Toyota employees many US workers, this is true but our carmakers would need these people and plants if Toyota was limited to the number of vehicles that they can produce or import. All of this global economy BS is only good for everyone else, it is killing us. We should allow these foreign carmakers to build or import the same number of vehicles that we export to them. We also need to be more PATRIOTIC! just my .02 worth.
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Simi Valley, CA
Since I am in the service business, I currently own 12 vehicles, all of them are FORDS. Other than a 1987 F-150, all of them have been flawless. We have bought Fords since 1963 and have never once thought about changing. I do not care where the parts are made or assembled, I want my money to stay here, the USA, with an AMERICAN owned car company. According to my dealer, Toyota is allowed to play by different rules. They have a younger work force and no labor union. Ford and Chevy cannot compete with this. You can blame the labor union and high wages for some of this. For those that say Toyota employees many US workers, this is true but our carmakers would need these people and plants if Toyota was limited to the number of vehicles that they can produce or import. All of this global economy BS is only good for everyone else, it is killing us. We should allow these foreign carmakers to build or import the same number of vehicles that we export to them. We also need to be more PATRIOTIC! just my .02 worth.
With one exception, the shared Toyota/GM NUMMI assembly plant in Fremont CA, all the other plants are non UAW..why?
Because, back in the 1970's when all this began, the arrogant UAW and US automakers stood idly by and didn't do a damn thing. They figured that sooner or later, the Japanese & Germans would pack their bags and go home with their tail between their legs, because the American people would stop buying their econo boxes.
There's history here...excepting VW and Mercedes-Benz, every other car imported by the Germans in the 1950's, 1960's (Wartburg, NSU Prinz, DKW, Opel Kadett, Isetta, Taunus, etc) were crap, and didn't sell worth a hoot. Even the early BMW's failed to find a market here.
Toyota came to the US around 1956 with a car called the Toyopet. It didn't sell worth a damn and was a POS. The car lasted thru 1959, then Toyota threw in the towel and left the US market.
The Big 3 and the UAW figured the same thing would occur again, so did nothing.
If they had raised holy hell with the US Gov't...maybe...just maybe, the Japanese, Korean, German assembly plants located in the US would be union today.
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The unions were part of the problem and helped drive up prices. A few years ago the starting wage was $28 (Plus benefits) an hour at GM, no doubt the average customer that was buying the GM vehicles made quite a bit less $$$ than that per hour, let alone to start. Keeping unions out was smart IMO.
IMO the US Gov't needs to promote manufacturing in the US. Seems the opposite is promoted.
IMO the US Gov't needs to promote manufacturing in the US. Seems the opposite is promoted.
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