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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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I reset the inertia switch by pushing down on the button at the top untill it clicked. No luck. But after looking myself (my dad looked and said he saw nothing) I found my fuel pump. It is very rusty. The truck sat for about a year. Fuel pumps can seize up over time while sitting cant they? Is there anyway to check the fuel pump to see if it works? Or would my best bet be to just replace it? Thanks for all the help guys.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 07:01 PM
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Check to see if you have power at the inertia switch for one second when you turn on the key with a test light, if so does the fuel pump run for one second also?
 
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 08:06 PM
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No matter what happens, the test light shows nothing from the inertia switch. Is this bad? I even disconnected the connector and there was no power shown running through it. Is that an issue?
 
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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No matter what happens, the test light shows nothing from the inertia switch. Is this bad? I even disconnected the connector and there was no power shown running through it. Is that an issue?
YES and YES.
You must have power at the inertia switch for the pumps to ever run.
You need to find the EEC Power relay and the Fuel pump relay and see what is happening with them.
The power and the fuel pump relay must click when you turn on the key.
Then the fuel pump relay will drop out in one second but the power relay will remain closed as long as the key is on and the drop out when the key is turned off.
Do the relays do this?
 
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 08:54 PM
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By the way when you replaced the battery cables did you hook back up the small black wire with a green stripe to the NEG (-) post of the battery?
Do you have a good body (cab not the frame) ground to the NEG (-) post of the battery?
You must have both of these grounded for the pumps to run and the engine to run.
Did you re-hook all of the fuse links to the battery side of the starter solenoid?
This is also a must.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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what do you mean by drop out? should i stick a test light anywhere to see if its gettig power?
 
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by burninrubber2416
what do you mean by drop out?
Drop out:
It clicks open, the contacts open, goes to the off state, un-picks, de-energizes, or does not pass power.

Originally Posted by burninrubber2416
should i stick a test light anywhere to see if its gettig power?
For the power relay you can check at an injector plug to see if the test light lights with the key on.

To check the fuel pump relay ground pin #6 of the test connector and it should click on while it is grounded and drop out when you remove the ground. Al so the fuel pumps should run all the time it is grounded.

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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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I do have all the fusible links on the solenoid. I'll check all them grounds from the negative side of the battery and make sure they're all alright. So i check the ground going from the battery to the body? And i do have all the wires attatched the the negative side that should have been by the way. But overall I should just make sure the ground to the body is fine?
 
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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I do have all the fusible links on the solenoid. I'll check all them grounds from the negative side of the battery and make sure they're all alright. So i check the ground going from the battery to the body? And i do have all the wires attatched the the negative side that should have been by the way. But overall I should just make sure the ground to the body is fine?
Yes and make sure on the small black wire with a green stripe is grounded as this is you most important wire.



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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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Well I do hear the relay click on when i turn my key on, then it clicks back off. The test light came on when i stuck it in one of the terminals. I'll do all the tests you just showed me tomorrow after work. I think for now i'm going to get to bed. Thank you for all your help and i'll try it all tomorrow. Cya buddy.
 
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If that is the case it sounds like you either have a bad fuse link "M" or a bad fuel pump relay (the green relay) or the socket under the relay. The wires under these relays get very bad and have to get reworked.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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I'll check to assure that the fusible link "M" has a current flowing through it after I get off work. It should be a yellow wire based on the diagram, correct?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:24 AM
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I'll check to assure that the fusible link "M" has a current flowing through it after I get off work. It should be a yellow wire based on the diagram, correct?
Yes but you may have more than one larger yellow wire there.
 
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Ok, i'll keep an eye out for that. So basically what it is, is that if the fuel pump relay is no operating correctly, the inertia switch wont operate correctly and that will cause everything along the fuel system to not be able to work, is that the basic idea of it? And to ground the number 6 connector do I just stick a wire in there then attatch it to a ground, and when I do that the relay should click open. And if the fuel pump is good it will come on too. Is all this correct?
 
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Ok, i'll keep an eye out for that. So basically what it is, is that if the fuel pump relay is no operating correctly, the inertia switch wont operate correctly and that will cause everything along the fuel system to not be able to work, is that the basic idea of it? And to ground the number 6 connector do I just stick a wire in there then attatch it to a ground, and when I do that the relay should click open. And if the fuel pump is good it will come on too. Is all this correct?
Yes other than some of your terminology.
To reword it.
If the fuel pump relay does not have any power to its contacts or the contacts are bad or the wiring under the relay is bad the inertia switch will not get any power even if the contacts close in the fuel pump relay. Then everything along the fuel system to not be able to work.
Yes that is the basic idea of it.

Yes you can just stick a wire in number 6 then attach it to a ground.
This bypasses the computer (takes control away from) and the fuel pump relays contacts will remain closed (passing power through) as long as pin #6 is grounded and the key is on. The key has to be on so that the power relays (brown relay) contacts are closed to give power to the coil of the fuel pump relay.

Yes if you pass power through the fuel pump relays contacts, the inertia switch contacts, the fuel selector switch contacts the power then should be at both fuel pumps and they should run as long as the ground wire of the pumps makes its way back to the NEG (-) post of the battery.
Note that the frame pump power does not go through the selector switch contacts so it will run with a bad selector switch but the in-tank pump will not if you have the two tank system. Of course you do not have the selector switch if you have two tanks you would then have jumper in place of the switch.

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If you did not understand the way I said the above here is how for says it works:

EEC Power Relay
The EEC Power Relay supplies power to the EEC Module and EEC System-related components. When the Ignition Switch is turned to START or RUN, voltage is applied to the EEC Power Relay coil, and the Relay's contacts close.

Voltage is also applied through the EEC Power Relay contacts to the Fuel Pump Relay, the Fuel Injectors, the EEC Module, the EGR Solenoid and the Thermactor Solenoids.

Fuel Flow
The electric Fuel Pump supplies fuel under pressure to the fuel rail and the Fuel Injectors. When the Ignition Switch is in START or RUN, voltage is applied from the EEC Power Relay to the Fuel Pump Relay coil. The coil is grounded by the EEC Module, the Relay's contacts close and voltage is applied to the electric Fuel Pump.

The Inertia Switch is a safety device that cuts voltage to the electric Fuel Pump in the event of a collision. Once the Intertia Switch opens it must be reset manually.
 
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