ran the self test and got this

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the truck will turn over great but with absalutaly no spark anywhere.
I put a brand new tfi mod. on it and that did not help so I ran the test and got this. I know "should have run the test first" but I will keep the tfi for a spare. anyway someone told me that I could take the distributor out and spin the gear by hand. cant I just have some one turn the key and get the same resusts.

how do I run this test using a multimeter.

thanks for any help.

 

I have read but not tested that is should be:
The PCM needed to see a PIP square wave with a peak
amplitude of 6.5 volts or more, while the ICM
only needed 5.75 volts to recognize the signal.

I do not know if this is cranking or running.

I use a PIP tester for this.

But I did some playing one time and wrote the following text if that helps.

I have been asked many times how to test a PIP Sensor by itself so here is what I came up with.

The PIP Sensor just has an off and on output but to test it you have to put voltage on the PIP at the plug through a voltage-dropping resistor.

I hooked it up like the diagram below and turned the distributor slowly by hand.
The meter went to full voltage and dropped back to zero as I turned the distributor.
A test light will not work here as it draws to much current.

I did not have a TFI (ICM) module hooked to it during the tests as I wanted to come up with a test to find out if it was the PIP or the TFI that was bad.

This would work to test the PIP Sensor if you had no spark. But if it quit while the engine is warm then you could put a hair dryer on the PIP and crank the engine to test it.

You can also use the 12 Volt Battery in the truck for this test but I was thinking about making a tester at the time with a 9V battery and a LED at the time I did the test.

Information from the web says the voltage dropping resister is 1200 Ohms but when I measure it I get 1.135K Ohms for the resister in the TFI module so I used a 1K.

Then I put a TFI Module on and checked voltage at the PIP Power PIN and it was 11.55 Volts with 12.0 Volts on the Run Power Pin of the Module.
PIP signal out is 0.0 - 11.43 Volts with the 12.0 VDC on the Run Power Pin of the TFI Module.




For more information on the PIP is contained in these two PDF’s.

http://www.wellsmfgcorp.com/pdf/counterp_v8_i2_2004.pdf
http://www.wellsmfgcorp.com/pdf/counterp_v8_i3_2004.pdf
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By the way a new PIP Sensor will produced
a healthy square wave with a peak amplitude of
over 9.0 volts — more than enough to satisfy
the minimum threshold requirement of both
the ICM and the PCM.

 

replaced the distributor and waaaaaaaaaaahoooooooooooo we got spark, but I am having toruble finding the sweet spot with the timing(turning the distributor). someone told me that I need to remove a plug or something to set the timing that way. truck is running well but I think that the timing might need advanced just a little.

Do I need ot adjust the timing after the motor is hot or can I do it from a cold start.

 

You can do it either way.
But you need to remove the SPOUT shorting bar (jumper) and set it with a timing light at 10 deg BTDC.

The SPOUT is located:


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hello i have a 88 ford with 12 volts on pip signal wire from icm. fast blink on led light. can you help...

 

Quick test
Attach a dwell meter to the PIP OUT signal
and you should see 28 to 32° for an eight cylinder and a 34 to 36° for a six cylinder if you start seeing 55,60,65° on the dwell meter the hall effect unit in the distributor is bad.
Change it or get a BRAND NEW dist.
Am told remanufactured dist. are famous for this problem.

 

Why does it seem Boone will give a straight answer to the question "Can I perform the pip test using a multimeter in place of LED?" I understand the voltage is to fast to light up a regular test light. I've seen the reply about the dwell meter test. Yet nowhere can I find an answer to this question. Very confused please help. Thanks

 

I dont think the meter, would show you quick enough, what voltage it seen(as in numbers), because it is instantaneous on/off, maybe the old analog meter would show the needle sweep across, but all your seeing, is meter movement, I dont have any of the other test equipment, so I use test #7-->Part 5 -How to Test the Ford Ignition Control Module (Fender Mounted)