Painting question
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Cargo Master
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Painting question
Anyone have any thoughts on the Dupli-Color paint shop series laquer they sale. It says it is ready to go straight from the can. I have not had a lot of experience painting, but have body shop experience, and have thought about the laquer system offered by Dupli-Color. Mostly based on the price ($20 a quart), and it's ready to spray. Now, I am familiar with the whole a good paint job starts with a good foundation. I know the whole process from bare surface up to prep for finish paint, but that is as far as I have done. I used to body work airplanes, and was on the team that worked the planes for shows (silver paint, special colors, and such that needed the best team for the job). If I mess up, I can justify a few hundred dollars mistake, but don't want to mess up when it is going to cost several hundred or even over one thousand. Any thoughts? I only need to do the cab and frame and front end metal (no bed, it's a semi), so I know I don't several gallons of each (primer color clear), and could get by on a couple gallons of each, or less.
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I have sprayed Dupli-Color when that was what was necessary in order to match. But otherwise I use Dupont Centari (sp) if I'm going to use laquer. It's all a matter of personal preference.
Also, "ready to spray" is a little too generic for me to be comfortable. I'm sure that Billy Bob down in Pensacola is going to have quite a bit different environmentals that Manuel in Tucson on any given day.
As much as prep, the correct dryer and reducer mixture is an absolute for a quality job. And since that is largely dependant on environmentals, "ready to shoot" is a little bit like looking for that $5K paint job from Earl Schibe.
Also remember that a laquer finish has to be "rubbed out" to be smooth and of high gloss.
There are as many opinions about paint as there are people who paint. And they can be just as good or just as bad.
Good Luck,
J!
Also, "ready to spray" is a little too generic for me to be comfortable. I'm sure that Billy Bob down in Pensacola is going to have quite a bit different environmentals that Manuel in Tucson on any given day.
As much as prep, the correct dryer and reducer mixture is an absolute for a quality job. And since that is largely dependant on environmentals, "ready to shoot" is a little bit like looking for that $5K paint job from Earl Schibe.
Also remember that a laquer finish has to be "rubbed out" to be smooth and of high gloss.
There are as many opinions about paint as there are people who paint. And they can be just as good or just as bad.
Good Luck,
J!
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From: Lovely Hueytown Alabama
there you go Julie.... using them typical stereotypes again...
ALL of us in the south ain't named Billy Bob... I personally know two Jim Bobs... at least one Charlie Bob ... a Larry Bob and three different Bubbas (although they are brothers... ) 
come to think of it... I think all these guys are cousins or married cousins... I forget... please don't generalize about my peeps... and before you ask ?? none of them play the banjo... although Larry Bob is a pretty good painter but he's on gov'ment disability right now and just does a lot of porch sittin'thanks
John Bob
I also know two Jesuses but they are Manuel's cousins too...
Later
j
heck... forgot thread content WMJOE... I think (as Julie pointed out) anything that works "out of the can" or "one size fits all" or is labeled "universal" usually doesn't, won't or isn't ..respectively and hand rubbed laquer will send you to a chiropractor... I know !!!
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On another forum that I frequent there has been a discussion on Kirker paint. You can buy a "kit", paint and activator, for $199 - $219....this is not lacquer, it's start of the art, catalized, high-gloss urethane. I have not used this product myself but many who have are singing its praises. I have some chassis painting to do very soon and I will be using their "Hot Rod Black" satin finish urethane.
With your experience in pre-paint prep you already know that most of the cost of a paint job is in the prep...I personally would not even consider spraying lacquer no matter how inexpensive it is. IMHO
With your experience in pre-paint prep you already know that most of the cost of a paint job is in the prep...I personally would not even consider spraying lacquer no matter how inexpensive it is. IMHO
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I did an old Mercedes in Centari lacquer about 20 yrs ago. Advantages: you can buff out anything, so a driveway paint job is very practical. Disadvantages: It chips pretty easily (at edges, from rocks, etc). Easy to touch up. But I would think real hard about doing a truck in it. That would be a month's worth of buffing.
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A couple decades ago I worked in a paint shop, things sure have changed.. In those days lacquer was used only for show cars, as it needs a lot of maintenance and does not hold up to weather well. We used Centari catalyzed enamel all the time, it was a good product (DuPont) as was Imron.. Centari lays down pretty well, but needs a clean environment like a booth, enamels, as I understand them, were not meant to be buffed out. People do it though.. Imron is a tough paint, more difficult to shoot, and nasty toxic stuff (guess all this stuff is)
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There have been a couple of mentions of Centari Lacquer...I do not recall Centari ever being offered as a lacquer. For years in the late 70's I sprayed the acrylic enamel both catalized and un-catalized, the 793S hardner really made that paint pop. I believe that Centari is no longer in production, even IMRON is now "old school". The state of the art in pant has passed them all by. The only thing that hasn't changed (except to get worse) is the health risks involved with spraying these paints containing isocyanates.
Regarding reply that I posted earlier about the Kirker kit...that kit contains EVERYTHING needed for a paint job; tape, wax/grease remover, reducer, etc. Pretty good price for all the materials.
Regarding reply that I posted earlier about the Kirker kit...that kit contains EVERYTHING needed for a paint job; tape, wax/grease remover, reducer, etc. Pretty good price for all the materials.
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Cargo Master
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Thanks for the info guys. I have decided (after reading your posts and the other threads) that I will jsut save for the paint to be done by a local body shop. I can do most all of the necessary body work and prep, but I will leave the final paint process for the pros. I do not have the room or the facilities to paint with things require more specialized equipment, and special mixing of chemicals. I considered the laquer from Dupli-Color since it was a reasy to spray, and I could easliy put up a drive tent to spray in. Since lacquer is not the route I should go, that is no longer an option. I do have a friend with a shop he paints in, so I may try to do it myself, but I will talk to him first. There is a local disabled Nam vet that has a body shop at his house. I think I would rather pay him and support him to do the job.
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