Kingpin fun
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Kingpin fun
I have a 65 f100 flairside, ibeam frontend. Im rebuilding the brakes and kingpins. I got all the brakes and everything removed, except for the kingpins. Ive heated with a oxy-acetylene, beat them, but they still will not budge. I removed both grease caps and the cross bolt. Any tips or suggestions, would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Nick
Thanks,
Nick
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you did remove the retainining bolts right. if you did i found it best to support the i-beam with a jack stand so that it wont move when pounding on it. beyond that just some good old heat.
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Never force anything, just get a bigger hammer. 
Seriously, in this case you need the biggest hammer you can swing and as stated above, you need to support the I beam as solidly as possible. That and heat will help. When I did it I ended up having a friend hold the punch in a large pair of channel locks (to keep his hand far away), and I used a 25 pound maul with a 4 foot long handle on it. It still took a lot of hits to get them out. Mine was probably tougher because I had a front clip which i decided to disassemble while it was still in the bed of my pickup.
By the way, I'm 6'4" 220 pounds and in decent shape. IMO it isn't easy - at least it's not always going to be easy especially if you live in the rust belt or the parts have been together for 30 years.
Seriously, in this case you need the biggest hammer you can swing and as stated above, you need to support the I beam as solidly as possible. That and heat will help. When I did it I ended up having a friend hold the punch in a large pair of channel locks (to keep his hand far away), and I used a 25 pound maul with a 4 foot long handle on it. It still took a lot of hits to get them out. Mine was probably tougher because I had a front clip which i decided to disassemble while it was still in the bed of my pickup.
By the way, I'm 6'4" 220 pounds and in decent shape. IMO it isn't easy - at least it's not always going to be easy especially if you live in the rust belt or the parts have been together for 30 years.
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Depends on your clearance...easier with the front clip off:
Place a bottle jack under the kingpin (top of the jack must be smaller than the kingpin). Apply slight upward pressure with the jack.
Wail away on the I beam from the top down. You may be able to get more leverage for some good hits this way.
Apply heat and liberal doses of penetrating oil.
Wear disposable clothes. It will make a mess.
Place a bottle jack under the kingpin (top of the jack must be smaller than the kingpin). Apply slight upward pressure with the jack.
Wail away on the I beam from the top down. You may be able to get more leverage for some good hits this way.
Apply heat and liberal doses of penetrating oil.
Wear disposable clothes. It will make a mess.
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I have a 65 f100 flairside, ibeam frontend. Im rebuilding the brakes and kingpins. I got all the brakes and everything removed, except for the kingpins. Ive heated with a oxy-acetylene, beat them, but they still will not budge. I removed both grease caps and the cross bolt. Any tips or suggestions, would be appreciated. Thanks, Nick
One has to be careful, because if one I-Beam has been replaced, the king pin won't fit unless the I-Beam is also from a 1965.
This problem has come up here in the past, a member bought a kit, only one side fit.
The I-Beams for 1965 are marked: C5TA-3008-A or B .. Right / & / C5TA-3009-A or B .. Left.
If both I-Beams match the numbers I posted, you need a King Pin Kit for a 1965 F100. 1966/70 is the wrong kit.
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1965's use a one year only king pin, it is not the same as 1966 thru 1970 (and some 1971's) used.
One has to be careful, because if one I-Beam has been replaced, the king pin won't fit unless the I-Beam is also from a 1965.
This problem has come up here in the past, a member bought a kit, only one side fit.
The I-Beams for 1965 are marked: C5TA-3008-A or B .. Right / & / C5TA-3009-A or B .. Left.
If both I-Beams match the numbers I posted, you need a King Pin Kit for a 1965 F100. 1966/70 is the wrong kit.
One has to be careful, because if one I-Beam has been replaced, the king pin won't fit unless the I-Beam is also from a 1965.
This problem has come up here in the past, a member bought a kit, only one side fit.
The I-Beams for 1965 are marked: C5TA-3008-A or B .. Right / & / C5TA-3009-A or B .. Left.
If both I-Beams match the numbers I posted, you need a King Pin Kit for a 1965 F100. 1966/70 is the wrong kit.
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If it didn't make a difference, why would Ford put the notation in the parts catalog inre to 1965 I-Beams only?
If it didn't make a difference, why would there one king pin part number for 1965 only (C5TZ3111C), another for 1966/70 and some 1971's (C8TZ3111A)?
Some 1971's, depending on the ID number and all the 1972's use D2TZ3111A.
If it didn't make a difference, why did one fellow here have to buy two king pin kits, because one axle was original to 1965, the other side was from a different year?
I don't make this stuff up. I read the parts catalog and post what it says.
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The later spindles are the same inner diameter and same mounting depth/width, and do in fact fit the 65 king pins. The difference is in the location of the retaining bolt. later king pins fit however the lower part sticks too far down and do not allow the grease/dust seal to screw in place fully. There fore the 65s are a stand alone deal... As to why Ford did this, possibily service concerns and revisions to the 66 beams required the movement of the pin a wopping .125 inches.
Dwight asked why his spindle fit not why the king pins did not....
Garbz
Dwight asked why his spindle fit not why the king pins did not....
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The later spindles are the same inner diameter and same mounting depth/width, and do in fact fit the 65 king pins. The difference is in the location of the retaining bolt. later king pins fit however the lower part sticks too far down and do not allow the grease/dust seal to screw in place fully. There fore the 65s are a stand alone deal... As to why Ford did this, possibily service concerns and revisions to the 66 beams required the movement of the pin a wopping .125 inches.
Dwight asked why his spindle fit not why the king pins did not....
Garbz
Dwight asked why his spindle fit not why the king pins did not....
Garbz
The I-beams are what Ford says are different inre to the king pins, not the spindles.
I know you have a lot of experience working on these old trucks. I did...once...but I haven't crawled over/under/around mine since 1983 (and I doubt I could get back up if I did today).
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hi dont know if this helps but i just did mine one side easy other side very frozen i used 2 pieces of 1in alltheard from old job and some scrap angle iron and made a simple press to put a load on the pin then heat and hit take up on nuts and you hit i liked this to hammering the you know out of it the only kingpin reamer in my step dads box is for my truck what luck todd