Ok, Ok, I know this has probably been discussed lots before, but I need additional clarification (I have a thick skull) lol.
I have read (I think) everything on here about this swap but I still have questions, I have the ford truck half bell and the ford hogshead (from 4 speed trans) with the clutch shaft and fork. And hopefully soon to have the flat plat adapter.

My question is this, do I need to use the "Throw out bearing collar from a Ford 3 speed trans. from 1937 - 1948" (Quote from Dwight Bond, Adapter Plate") or another route, link to Rod 51fordfan Gallery https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...100016&width=0 Rod mentions using .....
"Conversion bushing purchased from Motion Industries EP2228-32 Sintered Bronze Bearing. Bushing can be pressed into the throwout collar with a bench vice. Then it needs to be cut the length of the throwout collar. It slides right on the trans with no modification. All orginal clutch linkage is reused. (IMPORTANT) You will notice the return spring on top of the throwout bearing assembly as it was in the original trans. This MUST be reused so the bearing will pull back away from the pressure plate fingers. This setup doesn't pull back like the later models do."

So, Im not sure if Rod used a throwout bearing collar from a 3 speed? and I am also confused about "Bushing can be pressed into the throwout collar with a bench vice. Then it needs to be cut the length of the throwout collar"

Maybe Rod has another picture from a different angle to help me understand?
If I use the throwout collar from an older three speed do I just bolt it in place of the existing one on the T5?
I guess my next step is to disasemble the different parts and mock it up, but I still don't have all the pieces in my hands, I should have the hogshead on Friday.
Sorry to be so long winded, and I hope my question made at least a little sense
Thanks again
Josh

 

The Sintered Bushing is vice pressed into the stock Throwout Bearing, it slides on the trans just st the S-10 did. You just have to install a tab to hook the Throwout spring on so it will return. There are several ways of going about installing the Throwout Bearing. Some guys have used the S-10 and modified the ears to accommodate them. I just like the bigger bearing and for the last 4 years it has given me no trouble. I believe the Throwout Bearing from the 3 and 4 truck trans is the same.

 

Ok, So I think I follow you now, the Sintered Bushing go's inside the stock throwout bearing
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so it will fit the T5 trans collar, Duh, Just like you said! The room just got brighter in here! lol
But now another question arises, I have a 10" and an 11" pressure plate, this bearing seems to fit well with the fingers on the 10" but seems to small for the 11" pressure plate. The 11" plate is off a 53 8RT F600 if it makes a difference. not sure about the 10"

Maybe I just need a new 11" pressure plate (not sure if this one is any good or not)

So this bearing is 3 1/2" was there a larger one that would fit my 11" plate? or is there an 11" plate with longer fingers to fit this bearing??

And is this bearing just pressed onto the inner piece? this one sounds like it's got sand in it, it's been sitting outside in the weather for who knows how long.
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Thanks
Josh

 

I'm running the 10" pressure plate myself with the stock S-10 clutch disc. You probably need to ask a higher authority on the F600 I don't know what they use. Like I said earlier, I believe the F1 uses the same throwout bearing on the 3 of 4 speed truck trans. Some of the guys have used the S-10 pressure plate and throwout bearing. I didn't want to drill the flywheel to accept the S-10 pressure plate. I wanted to use as much of the parts I had on hand and go the cheapest route. I believe compared to what I read some have spent on their install compared to the $350.00 I spent I achieved that.

 

Josh

I have put a T5 in my F1 just lately, I used a GM 11 inch clutch plate Chev part no. 15551426, it is for an 87 Atro Van with a 4.3 V6 engine, 11 in. X 14 spline X 1 in. I then used an 11 inch pressure plate out of a 51 f3 (same one I used for the hogshead), had it rebuilt. I had my flywheel machine to accept a new 42mm X 15 mm bearing, Koyo part no. 63022RSC3. I had to cut some off the S10 throw out bearing sleeve but I don't think it is neccessary.
Everything bolted up good and the clutch operates OK, haven't had it down the road yet, still need some peripheral parts such as cab and fenders and box.

Hope that helps

 

Rod, Thanks again for you input/help I have some parts on order, so until I get everything in front of me I will try not to get to far ahead of myself, then I will pay a visit to a local clutch shop here and see what my best and (cheapest) route will be. now I wait!

cts1954 thanks for the info and the parts numbers. I like your custum cross member setup, how is that working out? is that last picture the most current one you have? Also can you still drop the trans out the bottom if need be with your crossmember?
I have been contemplating what to do with mine once I cut the middle out, so you gave me some good ideas, thanks Oh, do you have the stock brakes? and what is that brake booster from?


Speaking of mounting a T5 Trans I have been thinking about how far back the T5 mounts compared to the original trans, and was wondering if there is any adverse affect (twisting, sag or additional stress in the bellhousing/adapter plates area ?) I know aluminum is pretty tough and all but the original setups were cast steel and the T5 just adds a lot of length to the hinge point. just a thought thats been lingering in the back of my head and haven't asked yet.

Thanks
Josh

 

Josh

The crossmember can be unbolted and moved out of the way to remove the tranny from the bottom, the brake booster is a Ford Mustang with a GM master and a bracket to bolt to the orininal crossmember,I bought the assembly from Bill Mentz from Ohio but there are others or you can make the bracket yourself. You will have to keep some of the original crossmember as it is the mount for the pedals. I am also a little concerned on the mounting due to the tranny mount being back farther but we are not dealing with lots of HP so it should be OK. I have added a few mor picture in my gallery as my engine is coming along nicely.

Good luck

 

I have had no problems at all with my T5 install. Except for the cross member sections left after I cut out the center section. The right side started bending right away because that's is where the emergency brake cable attachés to the top of it. The brake and clutch pedal arms started dragging on the floor boards at times especially on cold mornings. I'm in the process right now of installing a manual Toyota steering box and early 70's column in my F1, I already installed a 3" dropped axle. So while I'm at it I plan to reinforce the cross member and hopefully that will solve my problem.
On the dropped axle install, I think the Jag unit might be the best way to go. Looking back at the 3" dropped I-beam it has it's own unique challenges. I would seriously consider the Jag could I go back now. The IFS allows you to add strengthening to the frame and get rid of all that flexing.