352 Confusion
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352 Confusion
Most things on this pickup indicate it's a 352. But .... the door plate says 172hp, I don't know what I have ID'd on the front driver side block. I think it was supposed to say 352 there??
F25DR714023 129 J F250AD81 N 24 7500 172 4000 73
Check my gallery for pix of the block, air cleaner sticker, etc.
Any input?
F25DR714023 129 J F250AD81 N 24 7500 172 4000 73
Check my gallery for pix of the block, air cleaner sticker, etc.
Any input?
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Originally Posted by thunderbirdreg
A mirrored 105 on the block is a actual truck motor ,I know a 391 is one and I think their is a smaller size as well but I can not remember the size.
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Assuming a 1965?
F250 (4x2)
352 cid, 8 cyl = D --> Engine Code
San Jose, CA = R --> Assembly Plant
714,023 = July --> Calendar Year 1964
Data Plate:
129 = wheel base in inches
J = Red
A = Interior Trim Code for Vinyl or Woven Plastic --> Gray
D = Interior Trim Code for Vinyl or Woven Plastic --> Beige
81 = Conventional Cab
N = 4-Speed New Process 435 --> Transmission Code
24 = 4.10 --> Rear Axle Code
7500 = Gross Vehicle Weight in LBs
172 = Certified Net HP
4000 = Specified RPM Code that produces the Net 172 hp
73 = DSO Code = Salt Lake City
Frank
F250 (4x2)
352 cid, 8 cyl = D --> Engine Code
San Jose, CA = R --> Assembly Plant
714,023 = July --> Calendar Year 1964
Data Plate:
129 = wheel base in inches
J = Red
A = Interior Trim Code for Vinyl or Woven Plastic --> Gray
D = Interior Trim Code for Vinyl or Woven Plastic --> Beige
81 = Conventional Cab
N = 4-Speed New Process 435 --> Transmission Code
24 = 4.10 --> Rear Axle Code
7500 = Gross Vehicle Weight in LBs
172 = Certified Net HP
4000 = Specified RPM Code that produces the Net 172 hp
73 = DSO Code = Salt Lake City
Frank
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It has to be a 1965, because of the D engine code.
1966 used a Y to designate a 352 engine.
A serial number of 714,023 isn't from 1964, but from sometime late in 1965.
1965 serial number range: 580,001 thru 732,000
That is the correct oil bath aircleaner used 1965/67, but I don't see the yellow and black sticker that says 172 HP on it.
A 391 is from the FT engine family (330/361/391) and was only installed in F500 and larger trucks (1964/78).
1966 used a Y to designate a 352 engine.
A serial number of 714,023 isn't from 1964, but from sometime late in 1965.
1965 serial number range: 580,001 thru 732,000
That is the correct oil bath aircleaner used 1965/67, but I don't see the yellow and black sticker that says 172 HP on it.
A 391 is from the FT engine family (330/361/391) and was only installed in F500 and larger trucks (1964/78).
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Another givaway for being a larger truck motor is the dual belts,take a picture of the crank balancer and some of the guys will give you more info.You can also tell if it is running,it seems to rev fast but not high,all torque and no get up and go power.
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Don't get too hung up on the reverse image block. There were a lot of them installed as 360s in the later pickups. Bill should be able to tell you when they first appeared, but I am pretty sure it was several years past 65. The 105 block has beefier webbing in the crank area but is the same as other FE/FT blocks.
The sticker on the oil bath says 208 HP as it should.
John
The sticker on the oil bath says 208 HP as it should.
John
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Originally Posted by thunderbirdreg
Another givaway for being a larger truck motor is the dual belts,take a picture of the crank balancer and some of the guys will give you more info.You can also tell if it is running,it seems to rev fast but not high,all torque and no get up and go power.
What changes did they make to the truck 352 to change the power/torque curves so much?
I sure appreciate all the help with this.
Don
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I just went out and looked at my door plate. I can see the 172 in raised numbers but not whats beside of it. All of this is ratings, one can be flywheel, another rear wheel. I'll have to defer to others to work that out. The breather decal has 208 on it, my dads 65 Galaxy had 250 HP on it's breather with a 4 barrel carb.
You at least have a 360 from the late 60s to 76, or possibly a 390. Does the intake have a large T on it near the top front?
Don't get too hungup on the useless numbers. They mean very little along the pathway of life.
John
You at least have a 360 from the late 60s to 76, or possibly a 390. Does the intake have a large T on it near the top front?
Don't get too hungup on the useless numbers. They mean very little along the pathway of life.
John
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Originally Posted by jowilker
I just went out and looked at my door plate. I can see the 172 in raised numbers but not whats beside of it. All of this is ratings, one can be flywheel, another rear wheel. I'll have to defer to others to work that out. The breather decal has 208 on it, my dads 65 Galaxy had 250 HP on it's breather with a 4 barrel carb.
You at least have a 360 from the late 60s to 76, or possibly a 390. Does the intake have a large T on it near the top front?
Don't get too hungup on the useless numbers. They mean very little along the pathway of life.
John
You at least have a 360 from the late 60s to 76, or possibly a 390. Does the intake have a large T on it near the top front?
Don't get too hungup on the useless numbers. They mean very little along the pathway of life.
John
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Originally Posted by thunderbirdreg
Another givaway for being a larger truck motor is the dual belts,take a picture of the crank balancer and some of the guys will give you more info.You can also tell if it is running,it seems to rev fast but not high,all torque and no get up and go power.
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All those engine HP numbers from the 60's can't be related to modern HP figures anyway. There used to be very little regulation on what numbers the factory published, so they could put pretty much any number they wanted. Modern cars make way more power.
However, my '65 with the 352 gets up and goes pretty well for an old beast. Not that I'm going to win any races trying to shift that NP trans, though. I hope you enjoy your pickup as much as I like mine. :-)
However, my '65 with the 352 gets up and goes pretty well for an old beast. Not that I'm going to win any races trying to shift that NP trans, though. I hope you enjoy your pickup as much as I like mine. :-)
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The D5TE (75 Truck Engine) number on top would be in keeping with the 105 image truck. Looks like you have a 75 engine in that truck. Should be a good engine with excellent flowing heads and hardened seats.
I have a transplant in my truck.
John
I have a transplant in my truck.
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Originally Posted by jowilker
Don't get too hung up on the reverse image block. There were a lot of them installed as 360s in the later pickups. Bill should be able to tell you when they first appeared, but I am pretty sure it was several years past 65. The 105 block has beefier webbing in the crank area but is the same as other FE/FT blocks. The sticker on the oil bath says 208 HP as it should.
John
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I've decoded prolly 100 1965/66 VIN's on FTE, I've yet to see the figure of 208 HP on any Warranty Plate.
The Warranty Plates have: 172 HP @ 4000 RPM stamped on them.
My 1965 has the original oil bath air cleaner decal, it says 172 HP.
I don't recall ever seeing a decal with 208 HP on it...I'll pay close attention to air cleaner decals at the F100 Nationals in May.
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I figured out where the 208HP comes from...I have an older decoder I got off of here...208 is 65/6 352 at 4400 rpm, not 4000 which is indeed what the door tag says. The air cleaner sticker has the 208 hp on it also if Im not mistaken.
The 65 owners manual also says 208hp @ 4400rpm...
- cs65
The 65 owners manual also says 208hp @ 4400rpm...
- cs65