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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 02:54 AM
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223 oil pan

I've done a search but couldn't find anything relating to what I'm looking for, so I thought I would throw this out there. Hopefully, someone will have the info. I'm trying to find out if the oil pan can be turned around, of if there were other apps (car, cabover, etc) that had a rear sump. If there was a rear sump app, then moving the pump pick-up shouldn't be an issue. The pan itself looks symetrical, but I'm trying to find as much info as I can before I pull the pan and run into some nasty surprises.

Here's the backstory: I have a '63 F100 with a 223 that is staying put. The problem is, it looks like there is going to be an interference problem with the front sump oil pan and the Aerostar crossmember that will be going in shortly. It seems I have a couple of options: 1. raise the engine with custom mounts 2. cut and mod the sump portion 3. turn the pan around (and move the pump pick-up) 4. some combo of them.

Doing the fab work or engineering a workable solution isn't shouldn't be too much of a problem. Ideally, I'd like to turn the pan, use a 300 pump (so I can ditch the load-a-matic dizzy. I've read they can be swapped...), move the pick-up to a rearward location, and build a new baffled sump portion if nescessary. I'm also not opposed to moving the engine rearward and up a few inches to gain clearence, assuming a rear sump. Going to a dry sump seems like an extravagence I (or a 223 ) don't need.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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I've never heard of using the 300 oil pump in the 223, but would like to know more about it if you could post a link. I have some experience with putting the 300 Duraspark distributor in a 223 by changing to the 1964 223 oil pump.

1. Have a machine shop bore a 223 distributor gear to fit the 300 distributor shaft and drill a new hole for the roll pin.

2. The 300's hexagonal oil pump shaft is 5/16" and won't fit the 1963 223 oil pump because it used a 1/4" shaft. You can get a 1964 223 oil pump (Melling M67A) that used a 5/16" shaft, or, have the shaft machined down to 1/4" to fit the older pump.

3. The 300's oil pump shaft is also too long. You'll need to trim 3/4" off the end so that it doesn't bottom out. I've also heard that the 5/16" shaft from the 1964 223 is shorter and works without modification, but haven't experienced that myself.

As for the sump locations, try asking around on the "Vintage Ford Inline Sixes" forum at FordSix.Com

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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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Yep, you're completely correct. I had my info mixed up, it is a '64 oil pump with the 5/16" shaft that allows the use of the 300 dizzy. Thanks for catching my error. That also answers my question of how the 300 pump would work, since the pics I have seen of both pumps look signifigantly different.
 
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