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Old Jul 28, 2008 | 05:12 PM
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O2 sensors

Im sure the answer im going to get is if it aint broke don't bother with it but well see.

I have never replaced one of mine, and I have around 175k on them. Is that normal? Would there be any gains to replacing them? I really dont have and mpg complaints. I averaged 17.2 on a 200 mile trip running around 62mph for half the trip and 72 the other half.

Just throwing it out for discussion. I like to see lots of interesting conversation on our forum.

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Old Jul 28, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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I replace them as a maintenance item, usually every 100K. They can get "tired" before they eventually throw a code to be replaced. Since the fronts tell the engine how to burn the fuel you want them to be as efficient as possible at all times.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 11:14 AM
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Hmm interesting.... how much are they generally?
 
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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$40ish for backs $50ish for fronts.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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A lot of vehicles that have front/back O2 sensors, the sensor that is located behind the cat. converter is used only to monitor the cat. converter function and will trigger a trouble code. This type has nothing to do with how well the engine runs and there is no economy/performance to gain by replacing it.

So before you plunk down your hard earned cash for a replacement, find out for sure the purpose of the rear sensor on your vehicle.
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 02:54 AM
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I do know that wide ban O2 sensors can yield more hp than stock, so i wouldn't say that a older stock one that has narrowed its range of acceptability is less capable
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BURNSTOUGHFORD
I do know that wide ban O2 sensors can yield more hp than stock,
Doesn't work like this. The PCM can only use a "narrow-band" O2 sensor for fueling control-it cannot use a "wide-band" sensor like they use on the dyno-there's no circuitry for one in the PCM. The OEM sensors switch at the stoich fuel mixture of whatever fuel you're running. For pump gas,that would be 14.64:1 air/fuel. Over time-the sensor element gets contaminated from products of combustion and damaged from heat,and shifts the switching point rich or lean. When it gets to the adaptive setpoint for controlling fuel mixture in closed loop,the PCM sets a code. By then-the sensor has already been in bad condition for some time. At 175K miles-the senors are reaching the end of their useful life,and should be replaced. Whatever you do-make sure you get OEM quality sensors-NO BOSCH O2 SENSORS. Those are nothing but trouble. They're inferior quality,made in mass production with little quality control for selling at a low price point by places like AutoZone,etc. Ford uses NTK sensors for a reason. They're a much better quality sensor.
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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I understand that it takes more tuning to utilize the wide band.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BURNSTOUGHFORD
I understand that it takes more tuning to utilize the wide band.
You're not listening.
You CANNOT use a wide-band O2 sensor on your truck. It's a tuning tool only used with a processor that can see the wider range of air/fuel measured by the wide band sensor.
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Yes i understand..... im listening, sorry its not coming across on here.
 
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I just changed the passenger side front o2 in my truck and the original oem was bosch.
 
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