Interchangability of Ignition Module
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From: Easton,Ks
Not true again it also stood for the Push start System (gray one) and the CCD system (black one).
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Yes it will as both ignition module are for the ford CCD system.
The part number for the 1995 black ignition control module is:
Ignition Control Module Black
Old Number = F1SF-12A297-C1A This is an engineering number, not a part number.
New Number = 5U2J-12A297-D Whatever this is, or where you got it...I dunno, but it's not a part number, either.
The correct part number is: 5U2Z12A297D Motorcraft DY1077.
The parts guy will not belive you but tell him you want the 5U2J-12A297-D.
Yes he will, because the Ford dealer parts locator system shows the replacement number as do all the dealers websites.
A gray Module will not work it must be black.
The part number for the 1995 black ignition control module is:
Ignition Control Module Black
Old Number = F1SF-12A297-C1A This is an engineering number, not a part number.
New Number = 5U2J-12A297-D Whatever this is, or where you got it...I dunno, but it's not a part number, either.
The correct part number is: 5U2Z12A297D Motorcraft DY1077.
The parts guy will not belive you but tell him you want the 5U2J-12A297-D.
Yes he will, because the Ford dealer parts locator system shows the replacement number as do all the dealers websites.
A gray Module will not work it must be black.
Both translate to F1PZ-12A297-A which was replaced by 5U2Z12A297D (Motorcraft DY1077).
This info is straight from the Ford dealer parts locator system, which I have access to.
It (for one thing), updates part numbers when necessary, and the 1990/2002 parts catalog, where the engineering numbers are translated to part numbers.
When part numbers are typed into online website, the hyphens and spaces must be removed.
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I do, and that's what it says in Section 120, page 14.
F1SF-CIA & C2A are the same module = F1PZ-12A297-A replaced by 5U2Z-12A297-D.
You don't believe me? Then contact one of the Ford dealer sponsors on Monday and ask them.
I just acquired yesterday, an entire load of Ford bound paper parts catalogs (over 200) and microfiche slides (over 600) from a soon to be defunct Ford dealer.
I have lots of extras...do you have a microfiche viewer? I'll be happy to pass some along. I'll even pay the postage....
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From: Easton,Ks
This info is straight from the Ford dealer parts locator system, which I have access to. It (for one thing), updates part numbers when necessary, and the 1990/2002 parts catalog, where the engineering numbers are translated to part numbers.
When part numbers are typed into online website, the hyphens and spaces must be removed.
When part numbers are typed into online website, the hyphens and spaces must be removed.
That is why I said that the parts counter guy at the ford dealer will not believe you and you must tell him to order the 5U2J-12A297-D or he will try to sell you a gray module. Some of the Ford dealers know of this error and will sell you the correct Black ICM.
The Number came from another poster after he had to go around and around with a parts guy at a Ford dealer ship and he finally got the black one.
It is easier to go to a salvage yard and get the black one than to fight with all of the counter men.
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The Ford dealer parts locator system is wrong on this one which has been verified by quite a few posters on this forum. Also all auto parts stores have the wrong information.
That is why I said that the parts counter guy at the ford dealer will not believe you and you must tell him to order the 5U2J-12A297-D or he will try to sell you a gray module. Some of the Ford dealers know of this error and will sell you the correct Black ICM.
The Number came from another poster after he had to go around and around with a parts guy at a Ford dealer ship and he finally got the black one.
It is easier to go to a salvage yard and get the black one than to fight with all of the counter men.
That is why I said that the parts counter guy at the ford dealer will not believe you and you must tell him to order the 5U2J-12A297-D or he will try to sell you a gray module. Some of the Ford dealers know of this error and will sell you the correct Black ICM.
The Number came from another poster after he had to go around and around with a parts guy at a Ford dealer ship and he finally got the black one.
It is easier to go to a salvage yard and get the black one than to fight with all of the counter men.
Bill...5U2J is not the part number's prefix...It's 5U2Z.
I typed that 5U2J number into the locator...it came back as an invalid part number.
I may be PIG HEADED, I may be a MISERABLE, CRABBY OLD SOB, BUT I'M NOT A LIAR!
I'll call Ed Olson @ Parr Ford on Monday and find out what the hell is going on...will post what I discover.
Ed is FTEpartsguy.
btw: The parts locator system is NOT the website where the MSRP and discount prices are listed.
That site is for example: FTEpartsguy.com, y2kfordparts.com, directfordparts.com = these sites have been down all day due to server problems.
The Ford DEALER Parts locator system is an in-house Ford/L/M/Mazda only site...not accessible to the general public.
So if a dealer has questions about these modules, guess where he goes? To this site. And that's where I went.
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From: Easton,Ks
Or to argue with a stubborn, PIG-HEADED ex partsman!
Bill...5U2J is not the part number's prefix...It's 5U2Z.
I typed that 5U2J number into the locator...it came back as an invalid part number.
I may be PIG HEADED, I may be a MISERABLE, CRABBY OLD SOB, BUT I'M NOT A LIAR!
Bill...5U2J is not the part number's prefix...It's 5U2Z.
I typed that 5U2J number into the locator...it came back as an invalid part number.
I may be PIG HEADED, I may be a MISERABLE, CRABBY OLD SOB, BUT I'M NOT A LIAR!
I am just going by passed experience on this subject on this forum and what the poster had to do to get the right part. I know that the number that is on the part is not the part number and also that all of the parts books are wrong on it for some reason. The Ford Shop manuals have it right but I do not know why the parts manuals have it wrong.
I will try to find one of the Threads that I have referred too.
You do a great job with part numbers on the forums and I know that you are just going by what you have in front of you.
From 1988 to 1996 there are four different ICM's for Ford trucks that are not interchangeable and the prefix and postfix of the part numbers do point to the four different modules.
There are the distributor mount modules for both the push-start system and the CCD system and also the remount mounted for the push-start system and the CCD ignition systems.
EDIT:
Please read the Thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...ol-module.html
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Wait! If the '92 Aerostar 3.0 takes the same module as the '95 F150 4.9L, which it does, then why is it when I walked into Murrays Auto (part of CSK) and asked for a module for the Aerostar, they gave me a black module and it works? Why didn't they give me the wrong grey module, or does that only happen if you order a module for the F150? If so, then the solution for the F150 is to order an Aerostar module.
BTW, it isn't just the dealer or the scrapyard. I bought mine at Murrays and it is a Niehoff (hopefully a good brand, should have gone to Glendale for a Standard brand). Also the Niehoff I bought is part number FF413. Also on the box label is V08102 for whatever reason I don't know.
BTW, it isn't just the dealer or the scrapyard. I bought mine at Murrays and it is a Niehoff (hopefully a good brand, should have gone to Glendale for a Standard brand). Also the Niehoff I bought is part number FF413. Also on the box label is V08102 for whatever reason I don't know.
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From: Easton,Ks
Wait! If the '92 Aerostar 3.0 takes the same module as the '95 F150 4.9L, which it does, then why is it when I walked into Murrays Auto (part of CSK) and asked for a module for the Aerostar, they gave me a black module and it works? Why didn't they give me the wrong grey module, or does that only happen if you order a module for the F150? If so, then the solution for the F150 is to order an Aerostar module.
BTW, it isn't just the dealer or the scrapyard. I bought mine at Murrays and it is a Niehoff (hopefully a good brand, should have gone to Glendale for a Standard brand). Also the Niehoff I bought is part number FF413. Also on the box label is V08102 for whatever reason I don't know.
BTW, it isn't just the dealer or the scrapyard. I bought mine at Murrays and it is a Niehoff (hopefully a good brand, should have gone to Glendale for a Standard brand). Also the Niehoff I bought is part number FF413. Also on the box label is V08102 for whatever reason I don't know.
The Areostar 3.0 used a black one from 92 or before as my areostar information only goes back to 92. So it had a lot longer application and they got it right.
It looks like other 3.0 trucks also used the black one like the Ranger in 92 and up.
I never said that the auto parts stores did not have them in stock as I believe they all do it is getting them to sell you one as their book says something different.
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The F series trucks only used the black module for about three years, 94-96 or to the end of the DI what ever year that was. Some how this small window of time got over looked by the parts manuals on the F-series trucks.
The Areostar 3.0 used a black one from 92 or before as my areostar information only goes back to 92. So it had a lot longer application and they got it right.
It looks like other 3.0 trucks also used the black one like the Ranger in 92 and up.
The Areostar 3.0 used a black one from 92 or before as my areostar information only goes back to 92. So it had a lot longer application and they got it right.
It looks like other 3.0 trucks also used the black one like the Ranger in 92 and up.
I have not forgotten...I'll find out tomorrow if that parts catalog info is correct or not regarding 1992/96 F150/350's w/4.9's (300's) using this exact same module, and will post what I discover.
btw: Many of the aftermarket ignition modules may be from American companies, but are made in CHINA crap!
As previously mentioned which you may not have noticed, I acquired over 500 microfiche slides on 8/08/2008 from a dealer that closing...so if you have a viewer, I'll pass some along...N/C.
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As far as what I said above about " The Areostar 3.0 used a black one from 92 or before as my areostar information only goes back to 92."
I wast taking the info from wiring diagrams and not the microfiche as I did not have the time to look at microfiche right then.
If you have any extra microfiche from 2001 on I would love to have them. What I would love to have is the parts CD but I guess that is dreaming.
I would have PM you but I guess I have not posted enough on this site to get PM privileges but am looking forward to when I can.
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The Niehoff box says "made in USA" so it looks as thought Murray's (CSK) did me right.
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When new members sign on, they can't P/M anyone till they have 25 posts, so if you can't P/M someone, you must have the feature disabled. You can also email me off FTE.
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F1PZ12A297A R/B 5U2Z12A297D
5U2Z12A297D FITS MANY VEHICLES
92-96 F150/F250 4.9
92-96 F150/250 5.0/5.8
91-94 AEROSTAR 3.0
91-96 RANGER 3.0
I could keep listing what it fits but it might take all day, Bill(numberdummy) is 100% correct.
Ed
5U2Z12A297D FITS MANY VEHICLES
92-96 F150/F250 4.9
92-96 F150/250 5.0/5.8
91-94 AEROSTAR 3.0
91-96 RANGER 3.0
I could keep listing what it fits but it might take all day, Bill(numberdummy) is 100% correct.
Ed
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From: Easton,Ks
I see your listing is also wrong as the module for a 1993 F150/250 5.0/5.8 will not fit a 1994-96.
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nope catalog is right. sold one the other day.
Not sure why you keep questioning this?
I sell these all the time.
ed olson
Parts Manager
parts since 1982