Possible purchase 2004 Excursion... Suggestions/Recommendations/Thoughts
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you guys are all missing the point. Just LOOK at all the repairs that thing has required. Isn't that a tip off ? If that repair list dosnt tip you off, look at the data plate. That will tell you what is really wrong with ANY Excursion........IT IS A FORD PRODUCT !
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Anyways back to the original topic. WmBell, if you feel comfortable buying this Excursion go ahead and do it, but if your still kind of wary of the vehicle, well than pass it up, theres plenty of other Excursions out there.
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I had tried to give you the benefit of the doubt as others gave you grief, but you seem to make the most worthless and negative posts here. Feel free to sell your awful Ford at buy a Hyundai.
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yes - no question about it - American mfg's MAY have finally "seen the light" and have started thinking about returning to the quality standards that, at one time, made our industrial products desired all around the world. But to deny that American quality control has become a joke, is to support those who are trying to kill what is left of our industry.
Even the Chinese are trying to gain customer confidence by improving quality control.
I have to admit, the quality level of my own Excursion (assembled in late 2005, so it is probably one of the last ones ) is vastly superior to the horrible mess my GMC 6500 was (bought it new in 2001). But that isnt saying much, as the troubles I have had with my Excursion were all DIRECTLY traceable to lousy "build quality".
What REALLY frosts me over, is the fact that all those Japanese and Korean mfgs. are coming over here, BECAUSE they find that when given half a chance, American labor can STILL simply make a better product faster and cheaper than ANYONE else in the world.
So, yeah, if Hundai built Excursions, and they built them here in the United States, like Toyota and Honda and Kawaski and others do, to our TRADITIONAL American quality standards, i would prefer that.
So you are right, if they had made one, I sure as heck would rather have had that then a FORD product.
Even the Chinese are trying to gain customer confidence by improving quality control.
I have to admit, the quality level of my own Excursion (assembled in late 2005, so it is probably one of the last ones ) is vastly superior to the horrible mess my GMC 6500 was (bought it new in 2001). But that isnt saying much, as the troubles I have had with my Excursion were all DIRECTLY traceable to lousy "build quality".
What REALLY frosts me over, is the fact that all those Japanese and Korean mfgs. are coming over here, BECAUSE they find that when given half a chance, American labor can STILL simply make a better product faster and cheaper than ANYONE else in the world.
So, yeah, if Hundai built Excursions, and they built them here in the United States, like Toyota and Honda and Kawaski and others do, to our TRADITIONAL American quality standards, i would prefer that.
So you are right, if they had made one, I sure as heck would rather have had that then a FORD product.
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yes - no question about it - American mfg's MAY have finally "seen the light" and have started thinking about returning to the quality standards that, at one time, made our industrial products desired all around the world. But to deny that American quality control has become a joke, is to support those who are trying to kill what is left of our industry.
I'm denying that it has become a joke, however I am not denying that it was a joke. The American auto companies have really stepped up their quality levels, they are making exceptional products that can compete nicely with the asians. I no longer see any reason for buying any asian brands of vehicles because for every asian vehicle theres an american one that I'd much rather prefer to drive (with the exception of the entire Mazda lineup for obvious reasons). Using the quality of the product in my mind is a poor excuse for buying an asian brand vehicle over an american brand vehicle, simply because the domestics are at the same level of quality as the asians, as is proven with the latest J.D Power & Associates quality study. In the past the quality might have been **** poor, but that is no longer the case, they have moved on and people need to also move on and realize that domestic vehicles have vastly improved.
I like to buy American automobile brands because they are hurting right now and for every asian vehicle sold, that was possibly an American vehicle that wasn't, I want to help them and I thing you all should to. I find it hard to believe that anybody would like to see these great American brands disappear.
Even the Chinese are trying to gain customer confidence by improving quality control.
From what I've read, the Chinese have a long way to go if they want to be considered major players in the auto industry.
I have to admit, the quality level of my own Excursion (assembled in late 2005, so it is probably one of the last ones ) is vastly superior to the horrible mess my GMC 6500 was (bought it new in 2001). But that isnt saying much, as the troubles I have had with my Excursion were all DIRECTLY traceable to lousy "build quality".
What REALLY frosts me over, is the fact that all those Japanese and Korean mfgs. are coming over here, BECAUSE they find that when given half a chance, American labor can STILL simply make a better product faster and cheaper than ANYONE else in the world.
If American labor is so fast and cheap, why are American companies outside of the auto industry outsourcing there manufacturing to foreign countries. That is just absolutely terrible, almost betrayal.
So, yeah, if Hundai built Excursions, and they built them here in the United States, like Toyota and Honda and Kawaski and others do, to our TRADITIONAL American quality standards, i would prefer that.
So you are right, if they had made one, I sure as heck would rather have had that then a FORD product.
Not me, I'd much prefer my, by what you call, my unreliable, crappy build quality, FORD EXCURSION, proudly displaying the BLUE OVAL, or for that matter any other American owned brand. My Excursion has been absolutely great with 145,000 miles and counting, it is not what you make it out to sound like, not to mention my 1999 Jeep Wrangler which has had ZERO problems with 55,000 miles on her.
I'm denying that it has become a joke, however I am not denying that it was a joke. The American auto companies have really stepped up their quality levels, they are making exceptional products that can compete nicely with the asians. I no longer see any reason for buying any asian brands of vehicles because for every asian vehicle theres an american one that I'd much rather prefer to drive (with the exception of the entire Mazda lineup for obvious reasons). Using the quality of the product in my mind is a poor excuse for buying an asian brand vehicle over an american brand vehicle, simply because the domestics are at the same level of quality as the asians, as is proven with the latest J.D Power & Associates quality study. In the past the quality might have been **** poor, but that is no longer the case, they have moved on and people need to also move on and realize that domestic vehicles have vastly improved.
I like to buy American automobile brands because they are hurting right now and for every asian vehicle sold, that was possibly an American vehicle that wasn't, I want to help them and I thing you all should to. I find it hard to believe that anybody would like to see these great American brands disappear.
Even the Chinese are trying to gain customer confidence by improving quality control.
From what I've read, the Chinese have a long way to go if they want to be considered major players in the auto industry.
I have to admit, the quality level of my own Excursion (assembled in late 2005, so it is probably one of the last ones ) is vastly superior to the horrible mess my GMC 6500 was (bought it new in 2001). But that isnt saying much, as the troubles I have had with my Excursion were all DIRECTLY traceable to lousy "build quality".
What REALLY frosts me over, is the fact that all those Japanese and Korean mfgs. are coming over here, BECAUSE they find that when given half a chance, American labor can STILL simply make a better product faster and cheaper than ANYONE else in the world.
If American labor is so fast and cheap, why are American companies outside of the auto industry outsourcing there manufacturing to foreign countries. That is just absolutely terrible, almost betrayal.
So, yeah, if Hundai built Excursions, and they built them here in the United States, like Toyota and Honda and Kawaski and others do, to our TRADITIONAL American quality standards, i would prefer that.
So you are right, if they had made one, I sure as heck would rather have had that then a FORD product.
Not me, I'd much prefer my, by what you call, my unreliable, crappy build quality, FORD EXCURSION, proudly displaying the BLUE OVAL, or for that matter any other American owned brand. My Excursion has been absolutely great with 145,000 miles and counting, it is not what you make it out to sound like, not to mention my 1999 Jeep Wrangler which has had ZERO problems with 55,000 miles on her.
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yes Andrea - I agree...it IS "betrayl". These "harvard Business School" and "Wharton School of FInance" types have bred generations of people who no longer think of themselves as Americans. They get into govt, and do what they can to use OUR tax money to make it attractive to send our technology overseas.
Get a little liquor in them and most of them will candidly admit they HATE manufacturing, HATE the idea of running plants to make better products, and LOVE the idea of selling off "once-famous-for-quality" American brand names to China, where their near-slave labor conditions, frightful enviornmental conditions, and Chinese Army as "enforcers", enable them to sit back and just collect royalties.
I did NOT disagree with you that American-brand-name manufacturers MAY have "seen the light". But have you noticed WHERE our so called "American brand name" manufacturers are building their products ?
I looked at a new Toyota Sienna, and found it was AMERICAN assembled out of AMERICAN sourced parts. If I recall correctly, the Moroney Sticker said it was totally an AMERICAN car. That horrid 2001 GMC 6500 I got rid of had a Canadian motor, GERMAN electrics and accessories, MEXICAN transmission (yes, that famous old name for quality in transmissions, Spicer, is now MEXICAN - and the shift quality was a mess) and a SPAINISH rar axle. Can you imagine - a fine old name like EATON selling out like that ?
I agree with you completely on the desireabllty of supporting AMERICANS ! I dont know where the parts that went into my EX came from - hard to tell any more, as the requirements for identifying parts have been weakened.
Bottom line -we are in here because we have Excursions! For better or worse, we are stuck with them the way they are (and the way we can get them with a little YANKEE INGENUITY ! ). Hopefully, thanks to all you guys who know what they are talking about, I will be able to keep mine in service. As we all know, if you need a REALLY big enclosed SUV, our EX's are the "only game in town" here on Planet Earth !
Get a little liquor in them and most of them will candidly admit they HATE manufacturing, HATE the idea of running plants to make better products, and LOVE the idea of selling off "once-famous-for-quality" American brand names to China, where their near-slave labor conditions, frightful enviornmental conditions, and Chinese Army as "enforcers", enable them to sit back and just collect royalties.
I did NOT disagree with you that American-brand-name manufacturers MAY have "seen the light". But have you noticed WHERE our so called "American brand name" manufacturers are building their products ?
I looked at a new Toyota Sienna, and found it was AMERICAN assembled out of AMERICAN sourced parts. If I recall correctly, the Moroney Sticker said it was totally an AMERICAN car. That horrid 2001 GMC 6500 I got rid of had a Canadian motor, GERMAN electrics and accessories, MEXICAN transmission (yes, that famous old name for quality in transmissions, Spicer, is now MEXICAN - and the shift quality was a mess) and a SPAINISH rar axle. Can you imagine - a fine old name like EATON selling out like that ?
I agree with you completely on the desireabllty of supporting AMERICANS ! I dont know where the parts that went into my EX came from - hard to tell any more, as the requirements for identifying parts have been weakened.
Bottom line -we are in here because we have Excursions! For better or worse, we are stuck with them the way they are (and the way we can get them with a little YANKEE INGENUITY ! ). Hopefully, thanks to all you guys who know what they are talking about, I will be able to keep mine in service. As we all know, if you need a REALLY big enclosed SUV, our EX's are the "only game in town" here on Planet Earth !
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yes Andrea - I agree...it IS "betrayl". These "harvard Business School" and "Wharton School of FInance" types have bred generations of people who no longer think of themselves as Americans. They get into govt, and do what they can to use OUR tax money to make it attractive to send our technology overseas.
Get a little liquor in them and most of them will candidly admit they HATE manufacturing, HATE the idea of running plants to make better products, and LOVE the idea of selling off "once-famous-for-quality" American brand names to China, where their near-slave labor conditions, frightful enviornmental conditions, and Chinese Army as "enforcers", enable them to sit back and just collect royalties.
I did NOT disagree with you that American-brand-name manufacturers MAY have "seen the light". But have you noticed WHERE our so called "American brand name" manufacturers are building their products ?
I looked at a new Toyota Sienna, and found it was AMERICAN assembled out of AMERICAN sourced parts. If I recall correctly, the Moroney Sticker said it was totally an AMERICAN car. That horrid 2001 GMC 6500 I got rid of had a Canadian motor, GERMAN electrics and accessories, MEXICAN transmission (yes, that famous old name for quality in transmissions, Spicer, is now MEXICAN - and the shift quality was a mess) and a SPAINISH rar axle. Can you imagine - a fine old name like EATON selling out like that ?
I agree with you completely on the desireabllty of supporting AMERICANS ! I dont know where the parts that went into my EX came from - hard to tell any more, as the requirements for identifying parts have been weakened.
Bottom line -we are in here because we have Excursions! For better or worse, we are stuck with them the way they are (and the way we can get them with a little YANKEE INGENUITY ! ). Hopefully, thanks to all you guys who know what they are talking about, I will be able to keep mine in service. As we all know, if you need a REALLY big enclosed SUV, our EX's are the "only game in town" here on Planet Earth !
Get a little liquor in them and most of them will candidly admit they HATE manufacturing, HATE the idea of running plants to make better products, and LOVE the idea of selling off "once-famous-for-quality" American brand names to China, where their near-slave labor conditions, frightful enviornmental conditions, and Chinese Army as "enforcers", enable them to sit back and just collect royalties.
I did NOT disagree with you that American-brand-name manufacturers MAY have "seen the light". But have you noticed WHERE our so called "American brand name" manufacturers are building their products ?
I looked at a new Toyota Sienna, and found it was AMERICAN assembled out of AMERICAN sourced parts. If I recall correctly, the Moroney Sticker said it was totally an AMERICAN car. That horrid 2001 GMC 6500 I got rid of had a Canadian motor, GERMAN electrics and accessories, MEXICAN transmission (yes, that famous old name for quality in transmissions, Spicer, is now MEXICAN - and the shift quality was a mess) and a SPAINISH rar axle. Can you imagine - a fine old name like EATON selling out like that ?
I agree with you completely on the desireabllty of supporting AMERICANS ! I dont know where the parts that went into my EX came from - hard to tell any more, as the requirements for identifying parts have been weakened.
Bottom line -we are in here because we have Excursions! For better or worse, we are stuck with them the way they are (and the way we can get them with a little YANKEE INGENUITY ! ). Hopefully, thanks to all you guys who know what they are talking about, I will be able to keep mine in service. As we all know, if you need a REALLY big enclosed SUV, our EX's are the "only game in town" here on Planet Earth !
As far as the Toyota Sienna being 100% American, I don't think so, in my book with it being a Toyota it does not qualify as 100% American, no car is going to be 100% anything.
6686L, I do agree about companies taking their manufacturing elsewhere as being rediculous, but not every company does it to make more money, some have to do it, but it is still very bothersome.
WmBell, I regret taking your post off topic, now hopefully we can get back on track.
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