Don't forget to get a permit from the BATF. Costs $200. Otherwise, they will classify you as a "moonshiner". Bust you so hard you will be glad to be put in a cell with Bubba!

Why is it against the law to make moonshine? - By Michelle Tsai - Slate Magazine

Many sites on the web for moonshine...uh...ethanol. You can purchase a DVD even.

 

[quote=19704X4F250;6232038]From my understanding, FFV were made to take advantage of a credit to manufacturer more heavier SUVs and get past mileage standards. It is uncommon to get a hold of one fresh from a dealer's lot, they don't really push them and let them go for fleet sales really. The reason American FFV are E85 is that it would take a cold fuel heating device that would add $50 or so to every vehicle if it was pure alcohol, so they balked. The same big three sell their foreign branch vehicles in Brazil with a tiny little power steering pump sized fluid holder to use gas to start with in extreme cold.

Some people really love their FFV they grab used. I do know CNG vehicles are hot and difficult to get, since they are bought by Utah residents who pay 68 cents or so for a gallon equivalent.
Natural gas is the way to go for WL’s Locke

 

Apply for an Experimental permit, free and no bonding, so keep it under 10,000 gallons. All from Chapter 26 of the book, which is explained very well. Local yokels will give more of a pain than the Federales.

TTBGov Forms

http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f511074.pdf Specifically this form

Ch 26 - Economic and Legal Considerations | Permaculture & Alcohol Can Be A Gas
Ch 27 - Practical Experiences with Alcohol Production | Permaculture & Alcohol Can Be A Gas

 

ArdWrknTruk answered that one, two posts above. My E-mail is temporarily suspect and therefore out of commission. There were problems that I want to make sure are cleared up with it. I use PM's for all FTE forum "offline" messages.

 

See below.

 

Hello -
Sorry I haven't been around recently, re-located from FL to Atlanta - plus busy with boaters E10 problems, and locations now recently mandating ethanol in all gas...Also Alcohol Fuel Test Kit sales have surged since very useful for those needing to avoid ethanol-blends of fuel, and those living in states that do not label pumps for E10...

Any questions here I can answer this weekend?

For anyone who hasn't read my previous posts,
My position is that E10 gasoline is ridiculous (without benefits).
- Causes engine/parts damage, performance problems, gas contamination and unnecessary inconvenience in conventional engines - Plus, does nothing to decrease petroleum use, since it almost always lowers mpg.

But, I firmly support practical and cost-effective renewable/alternative fuels that will decrease U.S. consumption of petroleum.
(And of course I support anything that will decrease pollution).

Currently the U.S. is importing 60% of petroleum we use!
(Middle East, Venezuela, S. Africa and other countries). That's insane!

Since I also believe we should not financially support those areas we are at war with- best solution right now is E85/E100 vehicles -
Which would decrease our petroleum use enough to completely stop importing petroleum from Middle East very quickly.
Would probably also lower gas prices due to change in petroleum supply/demand.

Ethanol is far from an ideal fuel, but with E85, or E100 concentration it's very manageable (used in vehicles designed for E85 or E100).

Oil (petroleum) and water (alcohol) do NOT mix -Primary reason E10 is not an appropriate fuel, and E85/100 would be better.

Most "renewable fuel" mandates (subsidies, tax credits, etc.) were intended to encourage E85 fuel/vehicles and biodiesel (not E10)-
U.S. failed in this respect.
While you can purchase an E85 car in most areas, E85 pumps not readily available all over.

I think we need to stop pushing ethanol into conventional fuel/cars (E10) and go back and correct problems/issues that halted E85/E100, for the short term.
BTW ethanol fuel can be made from corn, wheat, sugar cane, other grains and even cellulose (plant cell walls, which is the most common organic compound on earth) which includes wood chips, grass clipping, waste products and more.

- Long term solutions (non-ethanol) "alternative fuels" are better, including hybrid, electric cars and several other developing non-petroleum fuel sources.

In the meantime, consumers require guaranteed access to NON-alcohol gas at all public gas stations -
It's time for the public to speak out to your legislators to assure E10 is a choice not a requirement.

See:
Renewable Fuel Standard (2008 revisions) for current increased "ethanol" mandates.
Standard Program | Renewable Fuels | US EPA

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For those wishing to discuss why ethanol may never be a good choice for widespread fuel use (there's many valid reasons)- Review some of these interesting articles:

"Research Suggests Limited Benefits From Ethanol" Research Suggests Limited Benefits From Ethanol
and
"A Fix for Air Pollution Brings Its Own Problem"
A Fix for Air Pollution Brings Its Own Problem
and
http://www.energyjustice.net/ethanol/factsheet.pdf
and
"Biofuel plants generate new air, water, soil, water problems for Iowa"
Biofuel plants generate new air, water, soil problems for Iowa | DesMoinesRegister.com | The Des Moines Register

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In summary, if policymakers want to push (mandate) ethanol on us,
it should only be for vehicles designed for it, and only when it actually decreases petroleum consumption and/or cost of gasoline. Period.

 

Can someone please explain why the fuel in my bike turned to gelatin in the 2 1/2 weeks since I last rode it?
The bowls were full of some clear goop and the emulsion tubes were completely clogged.
I ran 2 tanks through it the last time I had it out.....

 

Fueltesters, consider yourself called out. I read your site. It would seem that you are in the business of selling kits to enrich yourself. The facts on your site are not facts, but myths and half truths, mixed in with a very large amount of outright lies.

As an example, there was the bit- 'ethanol ignites at higher temperatures, damaging pistons' Wrong, ethanol has a lower flame temperature than gasoline. And more nonsence about E10 causing a 10-40% loss in economy. How does that happen from a 3% loss in BTUs ? The whole site was chock full of BS. Looks like shameless selfpromotion to me.


Gentlemen, read the fueltester site with great caution. GWolf was looking for facts, the FT site does not have them.

Fueltester, consider yourself exsposed. Your kind of fearmongering and subsequent exploitation of misinformation, for profit, is reprehensible. DinosaurFan, on work's old 'puter

 

I've done my own test of 10% ethanol and gasoline without ethanol. (Yes, we have 2 chains of stations that sell gas WITHOUT ethanol in it, and they PROUDLY advertise it). On a very consistent basis, I average a 10% drop in 2 of my vehicles when using E10 gas. I have tested this for well over 3 years, and the results are always the same. My F250 with a 460 cu gets 9-10 on E10 gasoline. With the non ethanol gas (From 5 different stations) I get between 10-11. I WILL NOT argue this point. You don't have to agree with my numbers or my methods. i don't care. All others can decide for themselves.

I hate bio fuels. They are a waste of resources, money, technology, and our planet. Also, when it comes to importing oil, I will comment on one thing that fueltester mentioned. He said; "Currently the U.S. is importing 60% of petroleum we use!
(Middle East, Venezuela, S. Africa and other countries). That's insane!" The actual FACT is that he didn't mention that the MAJORITY of ALL our imports come from CANADA AND MEXICO.

 

A lot of post stated that to properly run ethanol your engine had to be designed to run ethanol. Seeing as I am getting ready to build a couple of engines next year what are some of the parts and requirements needed to do this.

I have not decided what engine to build yet. I was thinking of another 460 for my '96 but not sure.

 

The 2 important things are different air to fuel ratio and a possibly higher compression. E85 is a bit over 100 octane, so you can ratchet up compression quite a bit. However, due to certain issues with ethanol, I wouldn't be too surprised if the availability would shrink in the not too distant future, so I'd build the engine in a way that a simple piston change would be enough to make it run fine on 92 - 93 octane gas. Also, if you live in an emission testing area, you may have NOx issues with a high compression engine.

 

Thanks for the discussion