I do treat my deisels well, better than most I would say. The thing is, when I pay damn near 50,000 dollars for a truck I dont think I should have to spend more than necessary to keep it running, I never had to with my Dodges. This Ford 6.0 has been in the shop more times in the last 6 months than either one of my Dodges were in their 9 years of combined service. If I were to give any advice to somebody thinking about getting into a PSD by trading in a CTD it would be to turn around and drive away from the Ford dealership as fast as possible. And if you just HAVE to drive a Ford get a V10, similar power, similar mileage, way cheaper to drive.

 

I agree we shouldnt have to spend more money than necessary.

however comparing 50000 dollars to say a FS-2500 a stud job and egr delete. if you want to keep your truck I think its money well spent.

comparing a cummins to a powerstroke is like comparing apples to oranges way different design way different injection system.

 

Im not a Dodge man but I know one thing for sure. In time on a cummins the lift pump will crap out on you an most times take the injection pump with it. Talk about pricey. There not cheap to fix by any means.An the warranty in both cases had expired. A couple off buddies have had this happen to there trucks. Im not saying when an where it will happen. But it will happen. The cummins diesels are well known for that. So there far from perfect. Im not bashing Dodge just stating some facts.
Yeh the 6.0 has had its issues no question about it but to say cummins are fool proof. Not really. I sure cant blame you on the disgust with your truck though. These trucks should be perfect for the money you spend on them.
On another note Ford recommends a fuel additive for there diesels. Are you using any kind off an additive. Not to say that would prevent any problems.

 

Can't blame the cummins engine for an unreliable lift pump that dodge put in their fuel tanks..

Anyways, that was only on the 1998.5-2002.5 trucks, with the VP44 injection pump. The 1994.5-1998.5 P7100 inline pump, and the 2003-current common rail system does not have that problem. Looks like dodge switched to a more reliable lift pump. If you install a fuel pressure gauge (like every VP44 cummins owner should do), and if you get the engine turned off soon enough if the fuel pressure drops, your injection pump will be fine.

 

When your talking about the cummins motor, your not really bashing dodge since they are actually two very different companies

The cummins motor isnt perfect, nothing is, and yeah sure the lift pump may go out of them, but the thing is when(if?, i havent heard of that being a common problem) they do go its mostly likely after quite a few miles.

 

The cummins itself doesn't have a lift pump. The problem was the fuel pump in the tank dodge installed, would go out, This would cause the low pressure pump within the injection pump to over work itself trying to get fuel to the high pressure side. The low pressure pump would fail, then since the rest of the pump is lubricated by fuel, it would seize up from lack of lubrication

 

Ahh I getcha, thanks for clearing that up bud

The list of problems with the dodge surrounding the cummins would probably be pretty long.

 

Comparing the build of the motors is apples to oranges but comparing performance and reliability isnt because they compete for the same share of the market.

 

Yes,You right!!!

 

Ford all the way!

 

Yes you can! I have a fleet of Cummins ISB (VP44) Freightliner FL60's and Ford F-650's. THEY HAVE ALL NEEDED AT LEAST ONE LIFT PUMP!

 

Is the lift pump provided by cummins?

 

I think the lift pump might be manufactured by Bosch, but it is supplied by Cummins. They are bolted to the engine, right behind the fuel filter.

 

Louisville is right. Its mounted to the block near the bottom below the fuel filter. It was a failure of the engineering team because the pump was not really designed to push fuel up hill. The pump was 140 dollars at cummins nw and was a shame to have to carry a spare on board but I did. I also put a fuel pressure gauge on after dodge bought me an injection pump even tho I was out of warranty(I guess they liked my business). I dont recall the manufacturer but I found installing a high volume low pressure inline pump was a very good way to keep the lift pump happy and it worked like a charm. Never had another problem.


Comparing dodges lift pump to the 6.0s problems isnt much of a comparison at all. Last I heard ford was locked in several lawsuits to the tune of over a billion dollars with navistar. Billion dollar lawsuit>Lift pump issues. The 6.0 launch was nothing short of a debacle. 1000s perhaps 10s of 1000s were bought back or lemoned. So much so that a very lengthy and expensive lawsuit has ensued. Ford claimed it already had half a billion in warranty work on the 6.0 by the time the engine was 2 years old. Ford and Intl have had a complete falling out to the point where ford refused to pay for more engines and intl stopped delivering engines to ford. A Judge had to step in and force intl to continue shipping engines. Now ford is going in house with a diesel after continued engineering failures and quality control issues on intl behalf. Personally I dont think ford will build a good diesel with 2010 emissions looming. Manufacturers with a huge amount of experience and capital have struggled to meet the requirements.