460ci Car/Truck difference.
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460ci Car/Truck difference.
Looking to put a 460 in place of the tired 400m in my '80 F350 Dually 4x2. I've been coming across several 460s in late 70s early 80s lincolns and wondering what the difference is if any between the 460s put into cars and the ones in trucks? Would the 460s in the Lincolns be a worthwile swap?
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All older Ford vehicles have the ignition relay on the fenderwells. I was wondering about the internals like maybe a different cam or different crank/stroke. Anybody else have any input?
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I have a 74 Lincoln engine in my F250 and that thing would run like a scalded cat when it was all stock. Its my pulling truck so it is weighted down and geared really low now. I don't know if there are internal differences or not, but It sure is fast and has tons of power.
About a month after I bought it the starter went out. The new one I bought had that goofy solenoid on it. But the stock starter didn't. It looked just like any normal ford starter
About a month after I bought it the starter went out. The new one I bought had that goofy solenoid on it. But the stock starter didn't. It looked just like any normal ford starter
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You might even be able to use the pan on the motor you buy if it will fit in your chassis. The 4X4 takes a mid sump pan.
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I've got a '69 429 Ford from an LTD with that setup and it is stock. I don't think it was exclusive to Lincolns.
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Like I said in my post, Kruse, all Fords have the ignition relay on the fenderwell up close to the battery. Its a ford thing. Thats why alot of demo derby guys don't like to run Fords because of the added pain of the intricate ignition system.
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It's more of a starter relay actually. Theres a wire from the switch to the relay, which gets power from the battery, and relays that to the starter when you hit the switch. The "goofy" solenoid on the starter just engages and disengages the armiture of the starter.
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Ya that "goofy" solenoid has never been a problem for me. I have never had any problems with it.
And like Hotrod said, you will probably be fine using the same oil pan, since your truck is 2wd.
And like Hotrod said, you will probably be fine using the same oil pan, since your truck is 2wd.
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OK I don't think some of yall are getting what we are talking about on the solinoid. Most all Fords have the relay on the fender then on the starter there is just a hump for the lever. On the Lincoln's and some other cars evidentaly there is still a relay on the fender, but there is also a soliniod on the starter just like a Chevy. No one has said anything about the fender relay being goofy I was calling the daul set-up they put on some of the cars goofy.
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I understand what you mean tank. When I went to buy a new starter, I told the guy at Autozone that I needed a starter for a 460. He gave me a 2 bolt starter. Mine is a 3 bolt design. He told me that the 3 bolt was in cars while the 2 bolt was in trucks. The 2 bolt looked normal, while the 3 bolt had that Chevy-like solenoid.
I don't know if he was right about the 3 bolt being for a car engine or not.
I don't know if he was right about the 3 bolt being for a car engine or not.
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Looking to put a 460 in place of the tired 400m in my '80 F350 Dually 4x2. I've been coming across several 460s in late 70s early 80s lincolns and wondering what the difference is if any between the 460s put into cars and the ones in trucks? Would the 460s in the Lincolns be a worthwile swap?
You can tell by whether there is a counterweight or just a sleeve behind the harmonic balancer.
You'll have balance issues if the engine you get doesn't include the matching flexplate/flywheel.
Other than that the blocks are the same, but the emissions are different, and the car exhaust manifolds won't clear a 4X4 setup. (don't know about a 4X2 crossmember)
A 350 dually will have much more liberal emissions limits than a passenger car.
On something that old I'd swap the cam and timing chain as a matter of course.
Just my 2c....
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Ardwrkntrk is correct. Pre 1979 460s are internally balanced as I am sure the 1968 - 1970 engines also. the D1VE 1971 - 1978 and the D9TE 1979 - 1996. D9TE has a "hatchet" shaped weight behind the harmonic balancer.
I have 2 "different" you could say 460s from a van and from a truck and the sumps are different but there is no internal difference except the cylinder wall depth is .250 deeper in the D9TE to the D1VE blocks. As for the '68 '69 and '70s I dont know how deep they go they might be the same as the D1VE, but couldnt tell you if they are or not.
I have 2 "different" you could say 460s from a van and from a truck and the sumps are different but there is no internal difference except the cylinder wall depth is .250 deeper in the D9TE to the D1VE blocks. As for the '68 '69 and '70s I dont know how deep they go they might be the same as the D1VE, but couldnt tell you if they are or not.