Fuel additive?
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Tim,I was the first one in this thread to inject the phrase "snake oil".I did not mean for it to be an insult or dismissive toward your experience in anyway.I call all these things,whether I like them or not,"snake oil".I was and am truly interested in your input of this additive.So please don't let me be a factor as to whether or not you post your personal results.I think that this is one of the major attractions to this site is that we post our findings of what works and what does not.So to that I do apologize to you if the use of the phrase "snake oil" insulted you.
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Tim,I was the first one in this thread to inject the phrase "snake oil".I did not mean for it to be an insult or dismissive toward your experience in anyway.I call all these things,whether I like them or not,"snake oil".I was and am truly interested in your input of this additive.So please don't let me be a factor as to whether or not you post your personal results.I think that this is one of the major attractions to this site is that we post our findings of what works and what does not.So to that I do apologize to you if the use of the phrase "snake oil" insulted you.
AKLIM, your right, i only post what works for me but in all seriousness, you have to take it as a grain of salt, and try it for yourself. And Metal head, this is not just a chemical that can do your truck harm, if anything, it is one of the few additives that do not reverse the lubricity of fuel. Like diesel kleen and others. I realy appreciate the guys at the diesel stop for putting dunding together to get all of the additives tested so we consumers can make a wiser choice. And on top of that I am not just telling you to "go out and buy it" without results. I posted independent lab results, thier website, and my findings. Then you get to make the decision. Just trying to help people out.
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BTW, I landed the first trout of the season last sunday. 12" rainbow. Cuaght another 11.5" immediately after. Rod and reel, too windy to fly fish. No luck with the fly rod yet.
Sorry for the
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Snake oil
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I've never heard of, or tried FPPF, but I am very familiar with Buffalo, NY and their home office is not in the best of areas in the city, if that is worth anything. I do know that some pretty good chemical products come out of Western NY, so take what I'm saying for whatever it's worth.
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I know thats no fish story. I cuaght those big brownies on the southern tip of lake ontario, just inland, in a creek while salmon fishing. I CANNOT believe how big they are. Unbelievable. This trip took place about 6 years ago so I cannot remember exactly what the creek was named.
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Ever since the muscle cars went away we seem to look for something else to beat the hell out of and then complain when fuel costs soooooo much.
Deisels are not race engines they are power engines, it is what they were intended for and why they were built.
I see all the time on this site "a Duramax beat me" or whatever, if this is what drives why you want a desiel then you are going to be unhappy and poor. Just remember the farther your hat is turned on your head the slower this message will s-i-n-k i-n.
Deisels are not race engines they are power engines, it is what they were intended for and why they were built.
I see all the time on this site "a Duramax beat me" or whatever, if this is what drives why you want a desiel then you are going to be unhappy and poor. Just remember the farther your hat is turned on your head the slower this message will s-i-n-k i-n.
I guess you haven't gone to http://www.dhraonline.com lately, have you? Who cares what they were intended or why they were built. We can tweak it to do something else.
While my truck cannot ever take my 91 Vette in it's wet dreams, a race with another similar item is fine. My Shar Pei cannot outrun a greyhound but I can race Shar Peis.
If I was speaking out of turn, sorry Grandpa.
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ULSD is supposed to be equivalent to LSD from a lubricity standpoint. So far nobody has proved that there is a huge lubricity issue. That silly report floating around only tests raw ULSD. Now if they show that raw ULSD is the norm, I'll rethink my position. But think about this. If raw ULSD was the norm and problems really arise from it, we'd be having semi trucks lined up all over the road or diesel shops. What about all the diesels that are not semis? They'd be lined up for repairs for miles too won't they?
The only problem I see is that the ULSD causes leaks because the LSD has impregnated the rubber O-rings with sulfur and the ULSD leaches it out. Again, that has little to do with lubricity.
In that silly "study", they allude to "more is better". No mention of the point of diminishing returns. No mention of a test done to show how the lifespan is affected by lubricity. IOW, at 600 HFFR, the IP and injectors last 100K. at 550 HFFR, they last 120K. At 500, etc, etc. So without that information, all they can say is "more is better". Sorry, we are not talking about ***** and even with ***** there is a point where too much is bad.
The only problem I see is that the ULSD causes leaks because the LSD has impregnated the rubber O-rings with sulfur and the ULSD leaches it out. Again, that has little to do with lubricity.
In that silly "study", they allude to "more is better". No mention of the point of diminishing returns. No mention of a test done to show how the lifespan is affected by lubricity. IOW, at 600 HFFR, the IP and injectors last 100K. at 550 HFFR, they last 120K. At 500, etc, etc. So without that information, all they can say is "more is better". Sorry, we are not talking about ***** and even with ***** there is a point where too much is bad.
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AKLIM, your right, i only post what works for me but in all seriousness, you have to take it as a grain of salt, and try it for yourself. And Metal head, this is not just a chemical that can do your truck harm, if anything, it is one of the few additives that do not reverse the lubricity of fuel. Like diesel kleen and others. I realy appreciate the guys at the diesel stop for putting dunding together to get all of the additives tested so we consumers can make a wiser choice. And on top of that I am not just telling you to "go out and buy it" without results. I posted independent lab results, thier website, and my findings. Then you get to make the decision. Just trying to help people out.
As to filling up the 7.3, I don't see how you cannot afford to fill it up. I fill up my Ex and it is 46 gals. Think about this. Fuel, like anything else doesn't go down in price. Either way, you are filling it up. You can fill up 10 gals at a time but you still are filling up the same amount. Best buy it today while it is cheaper than tomorrow when it is more expensive.
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I know "that silly report" is not fault proof.I only choose to use an additive because I don't trust the oil companies to replenish the lubricity values that were there before the process of taking out the sulfur.So now its just a matter of which snake oil I choose to use.And I guess its more of a feel thing since I am not a scientist and am not going to run a scientific experiment.I'll log my mileage and listen to how the motor sounds but thats about as scientific as I'll get.
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I know "that silly report" is not fault proof.
I only choose to use an additive because I don't trust the oil companies to replenish the lubricity values that were there before the process of taking out the sulfur.
And I guess its more of a feel thing since I am not a scientist and am not going to run a scientific experiment.I'll log my mileage and listen to how the motor sounds but thats about as scientific as I'll get.
I only choose to use an additive because I don't trust the oil companies to replenish the lubricity values that were there before the process of taking out the sulfur.
And I guess its more of a feel thing since I am not a scientist and am not going to run a scientific experiment.I'll log my mileage and listen to how the motor sounds but thats about as scientific as I'll get.
You are right there. Oil companies don't replenish the lubricity taken out. That is done at terminal level. Ask yourself this, if it wasn't done and the effects were as dire as they predicted, why aren't diesels lying all over the road?
I'm not a researcher myself but I try to think in the most scientific way. I'm sure you will appreciate it that my wife treats her patients that way too. If she turned in papers like what that rubbish they generated, they'd have drummed her out of school and she would richly deserve it too. As Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero-One) would say in Star Trek Voyager, "Feelings are irrelevant"
