[quote=C350CREW;6058203]first of all yeah im mad as hell. and everybody needs to be. what i said about gas reserves i did not say as stone cold facts, i said according to news reports, if the news reports are wrong im sorry for using their stats. quote]

I think you should check this link, and hope you get my point
YouTube - Uncle Jay Explains the News - October 29, 2007

 

And yes, according to this, government did get involved, watch this link to the end:
YouTube - Uncle Jay Explains the News - May 28, 2007

 

goverment involment makes things worse!! if the goverment would back off let them drill more wells in oil rich area's and allow them to biuld more refinerys where and when they want prices would drop dramaticly, if you look at the profit vrs gross of the oil companys the profit margin is small, but there is a huge amount of volume, if the goverment allowed them to spend there money drilling more wells and biulding new refinerys the oil companys would be happy and we would be happy, the goverment is trying to force alternitive fuels witch is a good thing, however its not going to happen over night and the biggest motivation is high fuel prices if there was a dramatic decrease in fuel prices interest in alt fuels would drop significantly. alternative fuel sources is going to be vital in the next 100 years. all i can say is that its going to get worse before it gets better but eventualy somthing has got to give. the only thing you can do is try to make it threw, drive slower (im %100 for a national 65mph speedlimit) fuel demand would drop alot as well as your money out of pocket from fuel savings from better mpg. the higher fuel prices get the slower i drive, if it hits 5.00 a gallon ill be going 50mph everywhere i go and people can get pissed at me for driving like a grandpa all they want, and im only in my 20's

 

884x4broncoII, you did so good in the beginning, and then…

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Originally Posted by 884x4broncoII

(im %100 for a national 65mph speedlimit)

Wouldn’t that be government involvement? Even though it is 65 in most places in CA, in some cases even 55, or if you are pulling the trailer it is 55 all the way, buy law, you can drive slower then speed limit, (up to certain point, because you may get a ticket for driving too slow), but if you drive 65 in the right lane, I don’t think people will get all that upset at you, but if you like to drive 10 miles under the limit in the left lane, you will have some unhappy people, so just stay to the right and keep those speed limits where they are. Other then that, I am with you on drilling more oil, building more refineries, and keep that ruling class a way from our everyday life.

 

well it would be government involvement but how else are you going to get everyone to drive slower, if everyone drove 10mph slower, i would be willing to bet that the average car gets at least 5% better fuel economy at 65 rather than 75, so you drop the national fuel consumption by 5% thats millions of gallons of fuel a year

 

Yes, it is one way to save some fuel, but it shouldn’t be done this way. Basically what you are saying that if I can’t afford it, no one else should have it (if you can’t afford to pay for fuel, then everybody have to suffer – drive slower). Will start with speed limits, then what, prohibit pleasure items such as boats, 5ers, any off-road vehicles etc. Will put limit on how big of a TV you can buy to watch? I am not saying it because I have extra money for fuel, I am just saying it because you let the government to get away with one thing, and they will push it farther, IMO.
Also, there was national speed limit law in the US not too long ago, if my memory is correct, it was 55. So why not lower it back to 55 or better yet 45, you can save even more that way. Not trying to be smart ***, but hope you get my point.

 

you missed my point, it goes into the supply and demand thing not weather you can afford it or not, if everyone drove slower=less demand=lower prices

 

I am with you here.



So, which one do you like more - alternative fuels or lower prices, because according to your quote, they do not go alone together very well, which I agree with you.



So, the end result is lower prices, which means it is affordability question.


My question is: why 65 and not 45? We could save even more, wouldn't we? Why not force everyone to sell their SUVs and trucks and make them all drive Toyota Prius? Wouldn't that save us a lot of oil? Why not pass the law that would state something like no one could drive a car that drives less then 35 miles per gallon?
I got your point, but you are missing my point, which is: if you like driving 50, go for it, do your part in saving fuel, but do not force it on everybody else. Time is more expensive for some people then fuel, so if they like to drive 75 and it is safe to do so, let them.
Point 2: Keep government out of it, because who makes the decision where they have to stop with their controlling laws? How far will they take it? As it is right now, they are talking a lot about saving the planet, get rid of SUVs etc, but check what do they drive. Al Gore one of the biggest proponents of all these laws, but check what he is driving, how big of the house he has and what his monthly electrical bill is and how much fuel does he spend on his jet flights. What they say, and laws they pass are only good for you and me, but it never applies to them. They are better then you and me - they are the ruling class.
Again, I am not saying it because I have a lot of money, in fact I have few trucks in my business that use diesel and I wish fuel was a lot cheaper, as it is eating up all my profit. My brother had his trucking company in PA and just closed his doors because of expensive fuel prices, but I am not for government to do it, as they barely do it right, and if they don't, they do not admit to it. I could provide you with ton of examples where laws they pass either do not help or even hurt.
Sorry for angry tone, but I am for as less government and it's involvement as possible. If I remember it right, government’s role is to protect the citizens, but not to control them.

 

what you save in fuel you will burn in tickets and points on your licesnce. ill stick with the fuel if that is my other option.

 

i think 65 is a reasonable speed, its fast enough to get you from point a to point b in a reasonable time, the wind force differances are huge between 65-75 more so than from 55-65, dont quote me on this as im tired right now, but the physics of wind force is somthing like for every unit of speed is increased the unit of force is doubled. if you have ever riddin a motorcycle you would know how substantial the differance is between 65-75. im just saying theres ways that the govermnet could make a differance without making things worse. it would **** alot of people off, yes would it benifit in a positive way, yes. will it make as much of a differance as biulding 10 new refinerys and drilling 1000 more oil wells in the us, not even close. everyone is screeming the goverment should do somthing about fuel prices, i wonder how that would grab em by the boo-boo's.

 

VitalyKit you keep missing the point, now the government does not have the right to control speed limits????????? you dont want government to control anything. and you missed the point earlier when i talked about gov control of utilities, power, water, phone, the government controls the PRICE the utilities charge for their service/product,FACT!!!! i work for a utility. the gov controls the amount of PROFIT the utility is allowed to make, FACT!!!! so if these other utilities which are privately owned and gov regulated can make a profit why not oil companies?? gov regulation is a quicker fix than anything else. and again, NO I AM NOT FOR GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF EVERYTHING. but if it will, and it can, lower fuel prices why not!!!! ALSO DID NOT SAY THAT EVERY WORD THE NEWS REPORTS IS STONE COLD FACTS!!!! i guess uncle jay is expert on everything. guess i should just mindlessly believe everything he says now. this is the last reply from me on this topic, hope you have a good life in your fantasy world where there is no government control of anything.

 

Is this regulation the same at all Border crossings? I'm in San Diego and want to fill up my stock tanks as well as my 60G toolbox tank. So my fill up will be under 99G and it will be for personal use. I'll probably be crossing at Otay.

 

I crossed at San Diego a couple of weeks ago with 25 gallons in cans in my boat and could have had more in the back of my truck but the border guy didn't even ask. Not that a different guy wouldn't have checked. Who knows. I jokingly said I was going to fill my boats tank with diesel and then drain it when I got home. Wish I would have.

 

Actually, heree is the skinny. Almost all of you are right in one respect or the other.

First, yes, we do have a all time high crude reserve.

Second, we havent built a new refinery or drill station in over 35 years.

3rd, Politics is what is regualting the price of fuel. They blame the war in Iraq, but realistically if you look at the percent of oil we get from them, its less than 25 % of total oil. The rest of it comes from VENEZUELA, and get this, FREAKIN CANADA. Tell me how oil over there is effecting us here when 70 plus percent doesnt come from where the problem is.

4th, If customs down there is like it is up here by detroit, I could drive an airplace thru the gates, they wouldnt look twice. Let me go thru with a VW TDI, and I would be strip searched and acused of trying to hide 20 ounces up my rear end. Reason I say that?
I went thru with a 40 foot enclosed trailer, my buddy pulled my 36 ft camper straight thru. Our wives were in the OLDS BRAVADA and were stopped and seached. We were NOT searched in either of the trailers on the way back into the us either. Its almost as funny as these profiling people they have in airports. Its a joke.

Wanna get prices out of the crapper? Its easy. Venezuela is banking oil. So is Canada. Ask them for more, tell iraq and all those other freaking terrorist towelheads to keep their oil and fight to the death of whose wives where vails. Leave em alone. Then we wont be spending the 331 BILLION dollars a WEEK it takes to run the war campaign. This is the money that we shoulder at the pump. We have people starving here, people cant get insurance in florida for new homes without paying 20 k a year, Poor folk in New Orleans still havent recovered from Katrina, our economy is falling apart, jobs are leaving the country in a RECORD RATE, and yet we still send money overseas to help the less fortunate countries. I got news for ya, WE ARE BECOMING THE LESS FORTUNATE. I think I should run for pres, run the country like Ross Perot wanted to, like a business, get US back on track before we give the shirts off our back. By the way, yes I am ticked over prices, and PROUD of it.

 

331 Billion a week on that eh?
Imagine if that were spent on new green fuel technologies.

I'm from canada, and yes, lots gets sold to the US. Unfortuneatly its the same story here as you have it, they pump it always slower than its getting sold to keep the price up.

US and even Canada for that matter better start spending some cash on renewable energy before WE'RE the 3rd world country while Iraq holds the trump card.