If you think it is pretend and make believe then you have no clue what is going on around here. Our bad guys are for real. They are not playing games, and they do not fire warning shots. Nor do they care to get in a fist fight with someone they plan on committing a crime on.

It doesn't take a man to carry a gun and carrying one does not make a person manly. What is does take is the conviction and a mind set to do whatever it takes to NOT be a victim...and to save your familiy's life.

I don't think it'll work out real well for you if your epitaph reads that "preppypyro was a real man because he brought his fists to a gun fight". But, hey, that just me.

 

You can call me Sheldon if ya want

Im pretty sure my epitaph would most likely read, "Sheldon was a real man because he was shot by some pansy *** that brought a gun to a fist fight"

Theres a difference in protecting your family, then fighting. I took your views on fighting from what you said in the first thread as fighting, not protecting your family. As I look back at it now, it said nothing about protection, just fighting. You didnt really mention a gun in your first paragraph, but I assumed it from the sword reference.
Theres a couple of things I would like to comment about what John Steinback said too.

1. Dont pick a fight with an old man, because he will just kill you.
Ok so starting a fight (I presumed fistfight or arguement) with an old guy he will kill you. What sounds wrong with that? Old guy ends up in jail, getting used as Bubba's toy for the rest of his life, you end up dead, no one wins.

2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
Ok so do you promote cheating to win? Cheating on your taxes to get ahead? A unfair fight is cowardly.

3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy., 4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
Now I guess this can be related to, instead of getting a cop to protect yourself or your family, your gun can, Got no probs with that one

Got no prob with number 5, or number 7.

6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.
Got no prob with this one, I guess if you need to defend yourself against an armed guy, its best to be armed, I didnt really relate that to fighting though.

And number 8 I agree with, the good or the bad guy that has the guy probably knows how to use it!

I guess before I posted anything I should have asked ya, whats your definition of fighting? To me, fighting is a whole lot different then protecting your family.

 

Well, with the excpetion of one or two guys I know, that never really grew up, I don't run with folks that fight just for the sake of fighting. Never really saw the sense in it.

A new aquaintance of mine owns / operates a local martial arts house. He told me I need to sign up and take some lessons. I told him that if I need to defend myself....well, that's what God make 9 mils and shotguns for. Hell, I'm damned near 55 years old with medical issues I shouldn't experience for years to come. Not inerested much in fist fights.

BTW: Part of the original post was a shot (the pun seems to fit really good here ) at humor.

 

A home invader always has the unfair advantage of surprise. If he surprises me he will have no opportunity for any fighting.

 

I getcha Just had to pick your brain abit about it!

 

Gentlemen, could we take up a collection and buy preppypro a life membership in the NRA?

 

Ok well heres the thing Muddy. If anyone has a gun used on them first, and the guy is any kind of gunman, it doesnt matter if you have a gun, a bazooka, or a missle, cause your dead!

So for me I carry a handgun around, get one pulled on me, and by the time i go to pull it, im shot, and dying. So what does it matter? I see what your getting at though, Im not totally disagreeing with ya.

Id be curious to find some stats though, on the amount of guys that legally carry a weapon, that have had to actually use them, legally.

 

The way I always heard the saying is "A young man will fight you, and old man will kill you." I always thought the saying was funny until I started getting a little older. I guess age gives you a different perspective on it after a while. Fighting when I was younger was never something I worried about because I was pretty good at taking care of myself. Probably still am, but I try to stay out of situations where I would need to find out. That puts my into the protection category now.


To me, those a totally different situations. I do not condone cheating of any kind with the exception to someone trying to do me or my family bodily injury. I was always taught that a man keeps his hands to himself unless someone puts his hands on you. If that happens, you do whatever is necessary to make him rethink his decision - whether it be with your hands or getting a big stick.



It use to be something different to me also, but now I look at it as anyone trying to do me or my family bodily harm is fighting.


I have tried to find this stat before myself, but never could find any valid information on it. I imagine there are more cases than people think, but the amount of people that have carry permits would keep the percentage rather low I believe.

 

I don't have stats for you. A criminal IMO will think twice before attacking a home or a person or to carjack someone if he thinks he or she has a gun with them. Its easy to hurt someone who can't defend themselfs so they make easier prey. Why would you go after the person with a gun and risk getting shot or going to prison when there are others out there that don't have a gun and you have a better chance with.

 

i think the stats would be very misleading. if theres a home invader that brakes into my house ill pull the ol' .410 out to corner/keep them contained until leo arrive but i wouldn't use it (as in pull trigger to release the magic power of a bullet) unless he didn't stop or surrender when i tell him to.

btw .410 i use slugs....no shot...shot is mainly for people who cant hit something with 1 projectile (not starting argument just stating my philosiphy, i do use shot for pheasant)

 

I have a .22 that is kept in a handy position just in case anyone tries any funny stuff breaking into my house too. I think home invasions and fighting are waaaaaay different things though!

Cobra xp good post.

I partially agree/disagree with you on how a person should fight though. When it comes down to the physical part of things, I keep things clean. I never do a dirty thing, UNLESS I get a dirty thing done to me.

I have seen guys kick another fella in the nuts, and then got a whole bunch of guys give him a whooping cause he fought dirty!

I also really hate the unfair numbers. Ive been in a 10 vs 2 before, and being the 2 is not fun.

 

Some will disagree with me, but a .22 is not a defensive caliber to me. A .22 is an offensive caliber for tactical and specific placement shots. .45 is still my choice because recoil is very manageable for multiple shots and it has the stopping power to slow the average person to a crawl in an adrenaline filled moment. It gives me more lattitude on shot placement because any shot from shoulder to shoulder and head to belt will have great effects. 3 round groups are lethal, but if the person is able to withstand 3 .45's, it definitely will slow them down to give me the opportunity to withdraw and ready myself for a kill shot. Of course that is for the most drastric situation, but someone breaking into my house really comes close to the line for drastic from me.



I can definitely understand where you are coming from, but for me, that is the difference between boxing/kickboxing and fighting. Boxing/Kickboxing are set with rules and regulations, where I see a 'fight' as someone trying to do another person harm, namely me.

Again, I thought differently years ago when I was in kickboxing and I was younger and didn't mind being in those situations, but over the years, my perspective has changed. A man puts his hands on me and I am going to do everything I can to make him wish he could take that moment back.

 

How long did you take kickboxing for? I was very seriously considering that a few years ago until one night me and my one friend had a little "ufc style fight" To see if his kickboxing was better then my "no talent" style of fighting. I whooped him pretty good and decided I didnt need kickboxing, but he wasnt the toughest of fellas either lol.


Oh I should have mentioned I keep a .22 semi auto rifle too. Up here its a real pain in the *** to do the whole handgun thing. You have to take special tests, and follow very specific rules and regulations, just to even shoot it. With my .22 all I need is what they call a PAL (posesion acquisition license i think is what it stands for) and thats it.

 

I forgot you were in Canada... I travel to Edmonton and Calgary. Firearms are always a good conversation when I go up there...


I started Tae Kwon Do in the first grade. Went into Jiu-Jitsu and started points contact kickboxing around 7th or 8th grade. I then began Ninpo in high school and started full contact kickboxing, which I really enjoyed. I was racing BMX also and starting to get into MX Supercross, but after 3 knee surgeries, I ended up getting out of all of it. MMA (UFC style) has really taken off and I think I would have enjoyed that back then because of the different style trainings I had, but actually I'm glad I never went that direction.

 

Forgive me for going so far off topic too. What do you travel up to alberta for? I actually work out of edmonton, but I live in saskatchewan.