Level 2 is designed for 87, level 3 is designed for 91. However, you can run 93 octane and add +1 to your timing. You really need to go to the Edge web site and print out the manual.

http://www.edgeproducts.com/product_...manual-277.pdf

 

You can run 87 0ctane on lvl 3 with the timing backed off -2 degrees. Here is a post from FordF150Online that covers this.

1st E-Mail:

From: contact@edgeproducts.com [mailto:contact@edgeproducts.com]
Sent: Tue 04/01/08 1:45 PM
To: Edge Tech
Subject: Contact Form: Evolution Updates


First Name Joe
Last Name Garcia

Email gixxerjoe**@yahoo.com
Comments I am very interested in getting an EDGE Evolution for 2006 Ford F150 and am curious as to how often there are substantial updates made to users of this product. Considering the cost of gas right now and the fact that it is going to continue to increase have you all come up with a performance tune that works with 87 octane. You know, like running level 3 but with 87 Octane. I am very interested in knowing this. Thank you.

1st Response:

Edge Tech <tech@edgeproducts.com> wrote:
Well Joe, we are pleased to hear you are considering our product. It is recommended that you update the module every 6 to 8 months. You can do this on your personal computer, and it takes about 10 minutes. Most people do run level 3 on 87 octane, but in less than 5% of the vehicles, the truck will ping, so it just depends on how your vehicle is tunes. I hope this helps you out.

Edge Products Technical Support
1080 S. Depot Drive
Ogden, UT 84404
Toll Free: 888-360-3343
Local: 801-476-3343
Tech Fax: 801-337-2198
Email: tech@edgeproducts.com
www.edgeproducts.com

2nd E-Mail

From: gixxerjoe**@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wed 04/02/08 6:36 AM
To: Edge Tech
Subject: RE: Contact Form: Evolution Updates


Well Edge Tech guy,

The following is from your online user manual. Please elaborate as to why the manual states to use 91 Octane gas for the performance mode and not 87 Octane.

High Performance Program (91+ octane fuel)
This is the highest performance setting for the Evolution. The fuel injection
and ignition timing strategies are aggressively tuned to extract the maximum
performance from your vehicle without sacrificing drivability or durability.
The transmission strategy is modified to take advantage of the increased
engine performance by providing quicker, firmer shifts. Due to the high
performance nature of this setting, you will be required to run 91 octane (or
better) fuel.

As I originally asked- the fact that gas is going to continue to increase have you all come up with a performance tune that works with 87 octane. You know, like running level 3 but with 87 Octane. I am very interested in knowing this. Thank you.

I would appreciate a factual reply so that I may make an educated purchase. I do not like purchasing products only to find out that they do not deliver as I was promised. Thank you.

2nd Response:

From: [mailto:gixxerjoe**@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wed 04/02/08 10:46 AM
To: Edge Tech
Subject: RE: Contact Form: Evolution Updates


DeLoy,

Was not trying to PO you. My truck is my baby and I want nothing but the best for her, hence my questions and concerns. Now is there a way to get custom tunes for the edge. Lets say I am running the Level 3 on 87 octane and it starts to ping, what options do I have then. I do appreciate your expertise. My number is ***-***-****

Edge Tech <tech@edgeproducts.com> wrote:
Like I said, most people CAN get away with 87 octane with no problem. We do put information like this in our manual for the other 5%. You see, when a manufacturer like Ford makes a truck, that given year, they have roughly 100 different hex codes (computer calibrations). There is a small percent of those vehicles that run a little lean right off the lot. The owners manual is made for every one of these people, and it would not be smart for us to put that you can run 87 when not every vehicle can. I have given you the information that you have asked. You can take it for what it is. I am not someone to try and embellish the truth, because if I do I have to deal with the problem that I created, and that just isn't smart. I am happy to see that you did your homework, but you asked me if you can run 87 and I said most people do without a problem.

My name is DeLoy, by the way and you can feel free to give me a call and I would be happy to discuss this in detail. I am an Edge technician and I am generally on the phones speaking with customers about these kind of questions all day long. For one week every other month, I get assigned to e-mails. I would give you a call right now, but there is no provided phone number.

Edge Products Technical Support
1080 S. Depot Drive
Ogden, UT 84404
Toll Free: 888-360-3343
Local: 801-476-3343
Tech Fax: 801-337-2198
Email: tech@edgeproducts.com
www.edgeproducts.com

Also Bill responded that you could run it with -2 degrees but would lose some performance. Trade off, you may gain some economy.<!-- / message -->

 

You can run 87 octane with the timing backed off -2 degrees. Here is a post from an Edge tech on the subject:

1st E-Mail:

From: contact@edgeproducts.com [mailto:contact@edgeproducts.com]
Sent: Tue 04/01/08 1:45 PM
To: Edge Tech
Subject: Contact Form: Evolution Updates


First Name Joe
Last Name Garcia

Email gixxerjoe**@yahoo.com
Comments I am very interested in getting an EDGE Evolution for 2006 Ford F150 and am curious as to how often there are substantial updates made to users of this product. Considering the cost of gas right now and the fact that it is going to continue to increase have you all come up with a performance tune that works with 87 octane. You know, like running level 3 but with 87 Octane. I am very interested in knowing this. Thank you.

1st Response:

Edge Tech <tech@edgeproducts.com> wrote:
Well Joe, we are pleased to hear you are considering our product. It is recommended that you update the module every 6 to 8 months. You can do this on your personal computer, and it takes about 10 minutes. Most people do run level 3 on 87 octane, but in less than 5% of the vehicles, the truck will ping, so it just depends on how your vehicle is tunes. I hope this helps you out.

Edge Products Technical Support
1080 S. Depot Drive
Ogden, UT 84404
Toll Free: 888-360-3343
Local: 801-476-3343
Tech Fax: 801-337-2198
Email: tech@edgeproducts.com
www.edgeproducts.com

2nd E-Mail

From: gixxerjoe**@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wed 04/02/08 6:36 AM
To: Edge Tech
Subject: RE: Contact Form: Evolution Updates


Well Edge Tech guy,

The following is from your online user manual. Please elaborate as to why the manual states to use 91 Octane gas for the performance mode and not 87 Octane.

High Performance Program (91+ octane fuel)
This is the highest performance setting for the Evolution. The fuel injection
and ignition timing strategies are aggressively tuned to extract the maximum
performance from your vehicle without sacrificing drivability or durability.
The transmission strategy is modified to take advantage of the increased
engine performance by providing quicker, firmer shifts. Due to the high
performance nature of this setting, you will be required to run 91 octane (or
better) fuel.

As I originally asked- the fact that gas is going to continue to increase have you all come up with a performance tune that works with 87 octane. You know, like running level 3 but with 87 Octane. I am very interested in knowing this. Thank you.

I would appreciate a factual reply so that I may make an educated purchase. I do not like purchasing products only to find out that they do not deliver as I was promised. Thank you.

2nd Response:

From: [mailto:gixxerjoe**@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wed 04/02/08 10:46 AM
To: Edge Tech
Subject: RE: Contact Form: Evolution Updates


DeLoy,

Was not trying to PO you. My truck is my baby and I want nothing but the best for her, hence my questions and concerns. Now is there a way to get custom tunes for the edge. Lets say I am running the Level 3 on 87 octane and it starts to ping, what options do I have then. I do appreciate your expertise. My number is ***-***-****

Edge Tech <tech@edgeproducts.com> wrote:
Like I said, most people CAN get away with 87 octane with no problem. We do put information like this in our manual for the other 5%. You see, when a manufacturer like Ford makes a truck, that given year, they have roughly 100 different hex codes (computer calibrations). There is a small percent of those vehicles that run a little lean right off the lot. The owners manual is made for every one of these people, and it would not be smart for us to put that you can run 87 when not every vehicle can. I have given you the information that you have asked. You can take it for what it is. I am not someone to try and embellish the truth, because if I do I have to deal with the problem that I created, and that just isn't smart. I am happy to see that you did your homework, but you asked me if you can run 87 and I said most people do without a problem.

My name is DeLoy, by the way and you can feel free to give me a call and I would be happy to discuss this in detail. I am an Edge technician and I am generally on the phones speaking with customers about these kind of questions all day long. For one week every other month, I get assigned to e-mails. I would give you a call right now, but there is no provided phone number.

Edge Products Technical Support
1080 S. Depot Drive
Ogden, UT 84404
Toll Free: 888-360-3343
Local: 801-476-3343
Tech Fax: 801-337-2198
Email: tech@edgeproducts.com
www.edgeproducts.com<!-- / message -->

 

Left this off!

Final reply:

There are a few things that you can do. The best thing to do is to retard the timing 1/2 degree for every octane less than 91 so if you are running 87, you retard the timing 2 degrees. The only other thing that you can do is just put in 91 octane. I do believe the the Ford owners manual also says 91 octane is recommended for your vehicle as well, but there is no harm in running 87. I hope this helps you.

Edge Products Technical Support
1080 S. Depot Drive
Ogden, UT 84404
Toll Free: 888-360-3343
Local: 801-476-3343
Tech Fax: 801-337-2198
Email: tech@edgeproducts.com
www.edgeproducts.com

 

Oh... I completely understand that you CAN run it with retarded timing.... but that is not truly Level 3. "Level 3" parameters call for 91 fuel.... if you adjust timing, you have gone into a manual calibration, and the levels mean nothing. "Levels" are precanned tunes.

 

wow, i picked up my edge at the local dealer and installed it after work and eating dinner! i didn't up date anything, all i did was immediately install the thing and took off and drove.

can i say woooooohooooooo, feels like i am driving another truck now. when i went from a sport trac 4.0 to a f150 5.4 truck, i felt like woooohoo, and now i am feeling that whole new feeling again with this tune. i immediately installed the stage 2. i took off driving and i immediately felt the difference in the shifting. the firmness is mostly what i felt until i got out of the residential area. and then i immediately noticed how much higher the rpms have to get to get it to another gear!

i also noticed when i was merging into the highway, i felt that extra pull like the truck wanted to get infront of that dam chevy silverado. before i felt a slight bog and lag before it wanted to kick in and go. it was just laggy. and now, it will downshift and give extra jolts to it.

thru all the speeds, i can notice the extra go all around and an extra aggressiveness.

i am very pleased with this item and i feel like i spent every dollar well!

i think i will continue to leave it on stage three because its the only stage that describe added fuel economy if driven right. and its in the towing mode! in other thread i state i will not leave the thing plugged in until its carb eo approved. so i won't have access to it all the time. so if i tow something, its already on the tow stage. i think i'm safe with stage two no matter what i wanna do. in performance stage, i don't know if it'll do well towing.

i also do notice (i know its out of syn to talk about this but hey,) i notice i am off the pedal alot less. i have very well foot muscle memory. i know how much pedal it takes to maintain 50-60mph. and i off that pedal even more!

i may look into custom tunes at a later date but of course before i deploy again. should i update the thing now or just wait? will it make a difference?

 

i played with all 3 tunes again tonight when the wife told me i need to get some groceries.

i immediately tried updated the tuner from the website and and put the tuner back to level 2. i drove to the store and i was grinning the whole way there. on the way back, i put it on level 3 (87 octane) and did what the other replies said to do and retarded the timing down to 2 degrees. i didn't hear any pinging or anything when i floored it but yet again, i don't know if i can hear it. on my old mustang, i could def hear pinging but don't know about these motors. i definitely took the long way home and i was like dam, this thing really wakes up the motor. and i am still seeing a mileage difference on the computer. i am seeing at least a 3mpg difference. i went back home and unloaded the groceries and tried level 1. and man, the motor felt stockish but the transmission was def shifting harder and quicker. i do notice that the shifts are at different pionts. and i feel a firmness difference in shifts from the levels going up. level 2 and 3 were firmer from each other. i then put her back to stock for a 3 mile back road drive and i was all pissed off. i immediately put it on level 2 again and drove around and it was rocking. i went back home and play with level 3 again but the wife came out the door and threatened to blah blah blah if i didn't get in bed and do my business. so its stuck on level 3.

what is everybody else leaving the edge product at? i would assume most of you are staying with 2 or 3 and fairly few of you on level 1.

i can def tell that the motor is sucking more air thru that smallish intake. it seems as if the motor is having a hard time sucking enough air. its almost like the intake is going to whistle is it sucked any harder. she's almost COMMANDING a cold air intake. but she's got to wait until there is a non KN, CARB EO cai available. i hope volant, gets their stuff done quickly.

 

All level 1 does is change the shifting, otherwise it is the same as the stock tune. You do not want to tow any real weight on level 3. Always tow on level 2. When you hook up the trailer, should be no problem to make sure you are on level 2. I kept mine on level 3 for over a year, I got the best mileage, best overall performance, and enjoyed it the most. I ran 93 octane with the timing increased +1 in level 3. I just recently got the custom tunes and now, my 87 Performance tune is what I run most of the time. It exceeds the level 3 canned tune. Enjoy the canned tunes for awhile, then get the custom tunes, you will be amazed again.

 

I'm running mine on Level 2 with the shift points and added Wot fuel that was posted in another thread. I think I have the shifts set to 5250rpm for 1-2 and 2-3. Left 3-4 at 4900 or whatever it was programmed. Rev Limiter set to 5650, wot fuel 1.5, max speed 110. I think these were the main ones that everyone recommended. I'll have to try level 3 for grins though....

 

Those are the settings I ran for over a year and a half. I was on level 3 with 93 octane, so I did +1 on the timing. Also had to bump the idle up some to 750. I had shift pressure at +12 for first 2 shifts, then +9 on third shift.

Now it is all in the custom program, all I do is set my tires.

 

right now i will run her on level 2 but i'll run her at level 3 but i will use the 87 octane. like posted above, i will retard the timing 2 degrees.

i am not somebody who can wait long for 2 reasons, 1 i'm a very anxious person, and 2 i deploy VERY often in the military. i got lucky and i haven't deployed for 8 months now but in july i'll be gone for 4 months and then i come back for 4 months, and then i'm back again in the sand box for another 4 months. so whenever i am in the states, i got to enjoy my truck as much as i can. i hope you guys understand me.

where can i find the 87 performance tune? and plus when i do that, does it just completely redo the level 3 or will there be, stock, 1,2,3, and custom on the edge?

i wish i could display that pod and edge but i can't due to me being a scardy cat here in california. i hope it gets CARB'ed approved. i may elect to put it in the glovebox or the storage compartment in the center. the cord will just do a complete 180 turn.

i could def tell that the motor is COMMANDING a CAI now because i notice the motor almost whistling from how hard shes sucking for air.

 

You get the custom tunes from Bill at www.powerhungryperformance. He will fix you up with what ever you want, you just need to discuss it with him. I moved the canned level 2 over to level 1 and the 87 Performance tune is now my level 2 and the 93 Performance tune is now my level 3. So, I still have the towing program, now on level 1 and 2 HiPo tunes that are awesome.

 

I really wish you would not run level 3 on 87, with the timing retarded. I think you lose most of what level 3 provides. It gets it's power from the high octane and the advanced timing. Just put a tank of at least 91 in, program to level 3 and see what you are missing.

 

i felt a difference between level 2 and level 3 even though i was retarding the timing 2 degrees.

i may try to run up this tank dry and put 1/2 tank of 91 and see what happens on level 3. i'll give bill a call maybe a month before my next deployment so i have some time to play.

 

the higher the octane, the lesser the propensity to burn...in other words, the higher the octane level, you retard the timing...that way it starts burning before TDC, and giving you the ultimate "whack" upon the downstroke.