Death Wobble
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Not really sure what that meant..I appreciate some of your comments, but if you dont have anything meaningful to add.....dont.
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What does the death wobble have to do with your comments:
"Fyi...the truck is in the shop today and they just called to inform me that the genius who did the lift in the first place, zap strapped the front brake lines to the coil springs...and guess what...they are almost worn thru...."
SECOND: In simpler terms, to me, it sounds like your vehicle has more miles on it than you disclose.
THIRD: In my humble opinion, your comments to this point do not disclose how you saved $20,000.00.
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1. By including the fact that the brake lines were zap strapped to a moving part , thus causing possible brake failure, leads me to believe that the person responsible for this probably was less professional then anyone who I would want working on my vehicle.
2.More miles then I disclosed? What benefit would I have to exaggerate the miles on the vehicle....would you like a picture of the odometer with a newspaper with todays date on it to varify?
3. I test drove a new 2008 in the city I live in . Sticker price was $71,000 Canadian. With some negotiating, probably could have got it for $62-65000. Then I would have needed to lift it. $2-3000 for that job. I picked up the same truck with low miles, already lifted, for $40,500 US money. Our dollar was stronger then your at the time, which meant I paid closer to $39,000 my money for the truck..should I do the rest of the math for you?
Seems to me, lots of people use this forum for what it was intended for, to share information and tips. Others , like to stir the pot, in my opinion, to hear there own voices......
2.More miles then I disclosed? What benefit would I have to exaggerate the miles on the vehicle....would you like a picture of the odometer with a newspaper with todays date on it to varify?
3. I test drove a new 2008 in the city I live in . Sticker price was $71,000 Canadian. With some negotiating, probably could have got it for $62-65000. Then I would have needed to lift it. $2-3000 for that job. I picked up the same truck with low miles, already lifted, for $40,500 US money. Our dollar was stronger then your at the time, which meant I paid closer to $39,000 my money for the truck..should I do the rest of the math for you?
Seems to me, lots of people use this forum for what it was intended for, to share information and tips. Others , like to stir the pot, in my opinion, to hear there own voices......
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luckyjeff:
Perhaps you never had a vehicle where someone spun backwards, (aka reduced the miles) on the odometer. My comments were positive, as there are speedometer shops where you can go and see if this was done. I didn't question your veracity. I questioned the source or original owner. That answers number 2.
Regarding your comments in 1. above, I do not want to hear myself, but when I speak to a person, that didn't see a BRAKE LINE strapped to a coil spring, I try to oversimplify. You said the vehilce was lifted. DID you inspect the truck before your purchased.
And last but not least, perhaps you should do the math as I read in this forum of an import tax on used vehicles brought into Canada. If that is the case, and by the time you add daytime running lights, and whatever else your country requires I don't see the savings.
Especially now that you have a fist full of trouble!
And I am glad you can make a qualified opinion with your 9 posts in about six weeks of me and my comments in this forum.
Perhaps you never had a vehicle where someone spun backwards, (aka reduced the miles) on the odometer. My comments were positive, as there are speedometer shops where you can go and see if this was done. I didn't question your veracity. I questioned the source or original owner. That answers number 2.
Regarding your comments in 1. above, I do not want to hear myself, but when I speak to a person, that didn't see a BRAKE LINE strapped to a coil spring, I try to oversimplify. You said the vehilce was lifted. DID you inspect the truck before your purchased.
And last but not least, perhaps you should do the math as I read in this forum of an import tax on used vehicles brought into Canada. If that is the case, and by the time you add daytime running lights, and whatever else your country requires I don't see the savings.
Especially now that you have a fist full of trouble!
And I am glad you can make a qualified opinion with your 9 posts in about six weeks of me and my comments in this forum.
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What's the problem?
Here's a recap.
You have a truck that's been lifted. LIFTED. LIFTED LIFTED LIFTED.
You CAN NOT compare it to the stock Fords with "death wobble".
The fact that someone zip-tied the brake lines to the coil springs means a monkey installed the lift.
It's not Ford's problem.
It's yours. It's been LIFTED.
Get a dual stabilizer kit, put it in the traditional passenger-side position and it will probably go away.
Oh, and go over the rest of the "lift" for other stupidity.
If anyone else has anything to add, please do.
Otherwise, the way this is going, this thread will be closed soon.
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On a personal note, we don't usually get newbie members with 9 posts getting snotty with people, even when someone comes up and posts a somewhat snippy post or two. But I can't really blame them.
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You are getting valid opinions and concerns, and people are trying to help you.
What's the problem?
Here's a recap.
You have a truck that's been lifted. LIFTED. LIFTED LIFTED LIFTED.
You CAN NOT compare it to the stock Fords with "death wobble".
The fact that someone zip-tied the brake lines to the coil springs means a monkey installed the lift.
It's not Ford's problem.
It's yours. It's been LIFTED.
Get a dual stabilizer kit, put it in the traditional passenger-side position and it will probably go away.
Oh, and go over the rest of the "lift" for other stupidity.
If anyone else has anything to add, please do.
Otherwise, the way this is going, this thread will be closed soon.
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On a personal note, we don't usually get newbie members with 9 posts getting snotty with people, even when someone comes up and posts a somewhat snippy post or two. But I can't really blame them.
What's the problem?
Here's a recap.
You have a truck that's been lifted. LIFTED. LIFTED LIFTED LIFTED.
You CAN NOT compare it to the stock Fords with "death wobble".
The fact that someone zip-tied the brake lines to the coil springs means a monkey installed the lift.
It's not Ford's problem.
It's yours. It's been LIFTED.
Get a dual stabilizer kit, put it in the traditional passenger-side position and it will probably go away.
Oh, and go over the rest of the "lift" for other stupidity.
If anyone else has anything to add, please do.
Otherwise, the way this is going, this thread will be closed soon.
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On a personal note, we don't usually get newbie members with 9 posts getting snotty with people, even when someone comes up and posts a somewhat snippy post or two. But I can't really blame them.
I realize that the lift might not have been correctly installed, hence me going thru the trouble of replacing it. The zap strapped braked line was a huge flag.
I understand most people on here are posting comments to help, I appreciate that. I just think that this post have been hijacked.
As for the dual stabalizer, just another possible solution to the problem? As you know, everyone has their own opinion on what causes the wobble and what fixes the wobble. I am just not sure, though he has over 780 posts, on how the mileage rollback and price I paid for the vehicle have any bearing on the wobble? For everyone knowledge, there are NO taxes or duties importing a truck manufactured before Sept 2007 into Canada. Day time running lights are under $125.
Sorry if I had sounded snippy, it was not my intention. I am not sure what the number of posts I have made has to do with my intelligence......
I have swung a golf club 5000 times at least....still cant break 80.......
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It DOES, however, have something to do with how people are going to react to certain statements.
From your original post:
Originally Posted by luckeyjeff
I goggled ford wobble and found out about the dreaded Death Wobble. I am glad I am not alone with this.
Sorry for overreacting, AND some on here are going to overreact when they hear "dreaded Death Wobble" yet again from someone with a very low post count AND a lift.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Get a stabilizer. It's cheaper than the lift, and you SHOULD have a stabilizer with a lift and bigger wheels/tires. It doesn't cost (too) much, and it's better than starting completely from scratch only to find out you should have bought the $250 dual-stabilizer kit in the first place.
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Must be the heat, I'm not having any success getting certain points across
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ART:
From the BURGH, Pittsburgh, I listen. When you speak from the ISLAND, I understand you grew up with CASEY, CASEY STENGEL that is, so let the heat not beat us, I understand, and I hope luckeyjeff the best of luck, and an apology if I offended. None of us like to see someone get hustled. So let there be peace in the USA & CANADA and may we move on.
From the BURGH, Pittsburgh, I listen. When you speak from the ISLAND, I understand you grew up with CASEY, CASEY STENGEL that is, so let the heat not beat us, I understand, and I hope luckeyjeff the best of luck, and an apology if I offended. None of us like to see someone get hustled. So let there be peace in the USA & CANADA and may we move on.
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Y'all have to understand when we talk, like in this post, and someone puts on a brake line with GUM bands, and the MOD says, he ain't that old, then I have to presume you must be a burgher.
Honest, the shame today is that there are so few techs internationally. No matter the manufacturer, if local talent cannot fix, we all feel violated. Our forum is wonderful. At least here we can learn, although I feel most times we teach. THANKS,
Honest, the shame today is that there are so few techs internationally. No matter the manufacturer, if local talent cannot fix, we all feel violated. Our forum is wonderful. At least here we can learn, although I feel most times we teach. THANKS,
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Not to distract from all of the bantering, but back to the matter at hand. Jeff as I mentioned earlier I have a fierce case of wobble, but two day's ago I installed a Rancho steering stabilizer (stock location) and also installed a rancho dual stabilizer. the vehicle really has a much nicer feel to it and the best part is so far no wobble. Also, try not to get too wrapped up in these posts there are quite a few folks who really enjoy stirring the pot.. I dont get it!! Good luck
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Hey Hubbard,
If you installed the first Ranch stab in the stock location, where did you put the dual? How many miles did you have before you put them on? Did the wobble get worse over time before installing the new ones?
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If you installed the first Ranch stab in the stock location, where did you put the dual? How many miles did you have before you put them on? Did the wobble get worse over time before installing the new ones?
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The truck has 38 K, the problem just got worse, so bad I almost couldn't stand it. I first installed the a new one in the stock location and when that didn't work I went out and bought a dual. The dual is a side by side setup running along the tie rod
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I read trough this thread, and was surprised no one
mention the track bar. I alway thought that was the
first thing you checked. (And the duel stabalizers)
The 08's do have a track-bar don't they?
Three superdutys (05-07)that I lifted including mine all
had the same wobble. The trackbar appeared tight on all
of them, but it needs to be 400 ft lbs tight.
The problem was corrected on all 3 trucks.
I think the duel stabalizer hides that problem somtimes. jmo
mention the track bar. I alway thought that was the
first thing you checked. (And the duel stabalizers)
The 08's do have a track-bar don't they?
Three superdutys (05-07)that I lifted including mine all
had the same wobble. The trackbar appeared tight on all
of them, but it needs to be 400 ft lbs tight.
The problem was corrected on all 3 trucks.
I think the duel stabalizer hides that problem somtimes. jmo
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Lets all remember, this isn't exclusive to the super duties. The old 70's 1/2 ton ford 4x4 would do it, the jeeps, I drove an 05 Dodge 4x4 the other day that scared me silly, because I wasn't expecting it. It amounts to the accumulated play in all of the bushings, and bolted components. Tighten 'em up, the wobble goes away. The old Fords needed the plastic panhard bar bushings.