Death Wobble
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I went back to the start of this thread and see that luckyjeff was the originator. Then bravozulu9 added in. Seems about the only thing for sure, before follow up comments, is that luckyjeff just ain't lucky no mo!
And bravozulu9 is talking about a different situation.(bravozulu9 has a 2006 superduty)
And I think I am going to get out of this thread before I confuse more, but the front end of bravozulu9 is more than likely entirely different than the front end on notluckyjeff.
Jeff, you should get the manufacture date of your truck and post it. Then see if you have the wide track on your truck, you can get that by requesting a copy of your build sheet from FORD MOTOR COMPANY.
Then, JEFF, I would slow down and get a second opinion as it seems to this humble mind that you are getting, no, I'll say NAILED to a wall.
One thing I will agree with you about, is that you keep it up, one kidney won't pay the tab! Good luck.
And bravozulu9 is talking about a different situation.(bravozulu9 has a 2006 superduty)
And I think I am going to get out of this thread before I confuse more, but the front end of bravozulu9 is more than likely entirely different than the front end on notluckyjeff.
Jeff, you should get the manufacture date of your truck and post it. Then see if you have the wide track on your truck, you can get that by requesting a copy of your build sheet from FORD MOTOR COMPANY.
Then, JEFF, I would slow down and get a second opinion as it seems to this humble mind that you are getting, no, I'll say NAILED to a wall.
One thing I will agree with you about, is that you keep it up, one kidney won't pay the tab! Good luck.
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Wow! Good luck Jeff! That sounds like a huge pain in the *** not to mention an unforseen expense! Well, at least you'll have the piece of mind knowing that someone else (the lift shop) will accept responsibility for any future death wobble. Not to mention, a $3k fabteck lift has got to look damn good on that truck!
Would you keep this forum posted? I'm out of the country right now so my truck hasn't been driven since early May but I'm certainly keeping notes.
Would you keep this forum posted? I'm out of the country right now so my truck hasn't been driven since early May but I'm certainly keeping notes.
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Hey Mosso,
I didn't see any words of wisdom for me in that last message? Wide track in an 08 vs. a 2006? What can be do profoundly wrong with these trucks for about 5 years thats causing these issues?
I didn't see any words of wisdom for me in that last message? Wide track in an 08 vs. a 2006? What can be do profoundly wrong with these trucks for about 5 years thats causing these issues?
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wall....
As for being "nailed" to the wall, dont really know what my options are. As you read on this and many websites, the arm chair mechanic has numerous suggestions on how to fix this problem. I think starting from scratch is a wise decision.
My truck was manufactured on May 2007. Why is this information necessary?
Thanks
My truck was manufactured on May 2007. Why is this information necessary?
Thanks
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luckeyjeff:
May, 2007 makes it a job # 1 truck. WIDE track was not available. I remember the job #s this way:
to June 30, 2007 job # 1
to December 31, 2007 job # 2
From January 1, 2008 job # 3
That is why it is important, as there were changes made in the truck thru the "2008" model year. You can dog out the changes, but to me, there were many and very important. Following Tom Hoffman's battle with FORD, he had a job # 1. I have yet to see that many problems with job # 2 & # 3.
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You will have to do your own homework to know more or ask specific questions. A lot of help on this forum.
I do not mean to demean with my comments. I had the worst vehicle I ever owned with my 2003 6.0 EXCURSION. It was so bad my dog would not get in the vehicle. At the end it had a death rattle, and at 35,000 miles I traded it from my driveway as I got my ugly 2005 F-350 delivered!
May, 2007 makes it a job # 1 truck. WIDE track was not available. I remember the job #s this way:
to June 30, 2007 job # 1
to December 31, 2007 job # 2
From January 1, 2008 job # 3
That is why it is important, as there were changes made in the truck thru the "2008" model year. You can dog out the changes, but to me, there were many and very important. Following Tom Hoffman's battle with FORD, he had a job # 1. I have yet to see that many problems with job # 2 & # 3.
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You will have to do your own homework to know more or ask specific questions. A lot of help on this forum.
I do not mean to demean with my comments. I had the worst vehicle I ever owned with my 2003 6.0 EXCURSION. It was so bad my dog would not get in the vehicle. At the end it had a death rattle, and at 35,000 miles I traded it from my driveway as I got my ugly 2005 F-350 delivered!
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As far as I know, the 05's' 06's and 07's, front suspension have the same problem you and I have had. WITH the 2008's it is eliminated. GIVE FORD some credit. Like the MODERATOR said above, there are advantages to both coil springs and leaf springs. The coil springs on the 2008's will survive.
MY final comment as my fingers are tired. DID you notice that GENERAL MOTORS is pretty much dumping their vehicles that compete with SUPER DUTY FORDS? TRUE. Look in the WALL STREET JOURNAL
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rmosso, GM is not dumping the Ford's competition, they are just scaling back production to keep in step with demand. It wouldn't surpise me if Ford and Chrysler follow suit before long. The only thing in serious risk of getting "Dumped" is the Hummer brand. There was a very narrow market for that to begin with, and with the trend towards smaller vehicles it is not horribly surprising.
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miker67:
You call it bananas. I call it closing FOUR (4) plants. DID FORD announce the closing of FOUR plants? HUMOUS, oops, HUMMER is for sale or will be closed. Let us talk facts. Once the competition is gone, who do you think will remain? INTERNATIONAL making GMC? International making International pick up trucks? International making 6.4's for FORD SUPER DUTY trucks, maybe even some 1/2 ton F-150's.?
Buy your Super Duty at the discounted price, because once we get our economics straightened out, the dollar at least on PAR with the EURO, the hell out of IRAQ, Pakistand and IRAN, hopefully never, then we will all enjoy our vehicles, and probably learn to pay $4.00/gallon for diesel.
OH, and I agree with the green thing. DO YOU KNOW how the CHINESE are going to control pollution for the OLYMPICS in AUGUST? HOW about if we did this in AMERICA? If your license plate is even, you can drive Monday, Wednesday and Friday. If your license plate is odd, then Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Who knows about SUNDAY, maybe walk to CHURCH?
You call it bananas. I call it closing FOUR (4) plants. DID FORD announce the closing of FOUR plants? HUMOUS, oops, HUMMER is for sale or will be closed. Let us talk facts. Once the competition is gone, who do you think will remain? INTERNATIONAL making GMC? International making International pick up trucks? International making 6.4's for FORD SUPER DUTY trucks, maybe even some 1/2 ton F-150's.?
Buy your Super Duty at the discounted price, because once we get our economics straightened out, the dollar at least on PAR with the EURO, the hell out of IRAQ, Pakistand and IRAN, hopefully never, then we will all enjoy our vehicles, and probably learn to pay $4.00/gallon for diesel.
OH, and I agree with the green thing. DO YOU KNOW how the CHINESE are going to control pollution for the OLYMPICS in AUGUST? HOW about if we did this in AMERICA? If your license plate is even, you can drive Monday, Wednesday and Friday. If your license plate is odd, then Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Who knows about SUNDAY, maybe walk to CHURCH?
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I can do facts. I like facts, the problem is, the way you describe it, after the doors are shuttered on those 4 plants the last heavy GM trucks anyone can buy are the ones on the lots and then after they are gone, then there will never be any more. That, is not a fact.
Plant closures happen all the time. It is just part of corporate restructuring. GM will still make heavy trucks, as will Ford and Chrysler. You will likely see them all scale back a tad. The likely outcome of all of this is the mini diesel (I.E. F150 diesel, or the Tundra Diesel) will either die before it is born, or it will be the future of the light truck market.
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miker67:
You call it bananas. I call it closing FOUR (4) plants. DID FORD announce the closing of FOUR plants? HUMOUS, oops, HUMMER is for sale or will be closed. Let us talk facts. Once the competition is gone, who do you think will remain? INTERNATIONAL making GMC? International making International pick up trucks? International making 6.4's for FORD SUPER DUTY trucks, maybe even some 1/2 ton F-150's.?
Buy your Super Duty at the discounted price, because once we get our economics straightened out, the dollar at least on PAR with the EURO, the hell out of IRAQ, Pakistand and IRAN, hopefully never, then we will all enjoy our vehicles, and probably learn to pay $4.00/gallon for diesel.
OH, and I agree with the green thing. DO YOU KNOW how the CHINESE are going to control pollution for the OLYMPICS in AUGUST? HOW about if we did this in AMERICA? If your license plate is even, you can drive Monday, Wednesday and Friday. If your license plate is odd, then Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Who knows about SUNDAY, maybe walk to CHURCH?
You call it bananas. I call it closing FOUR (4) plants. DID FORD announce the closing of FOUR plants? HUMOUS, oops, HUMMER is for sale or will be closed. Let us talk facts. Once the competition is gone, who do you think will remain? INTERNATIONAL making GMC? International making International pick up trucks? International making 6.4's for FORD SUPER DUTY trucks, maybe even some 1/2 ton F-150's.?
Buy your Super Duty at the discounted price, because once we get our economics straightened out, the dollar at least on PAR with the EURO, the hell out of IRAQ, Pakistand and IRAN, hopefully never, then we will all enjoy our vehicles, and probably learn to pay $4.00/gallon for diesel.
OH, and I agree with the green thing. DO YOU KNOW how the CHINESE are going to control pollution for the OLYMPICS in AUGUST? HOW about if we did this in AMERICA? If your license plate is even, you can drive Monday, Wednesday and Friday. If your license plate is odd, then Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Who knows about SUNDAY, maybe walk to CHURCH?
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Jeff,
I was sitting here reading you post i I totally feel your frustration. I'm not sure that switching to Fab is the answer. I have the 6" on my '05 SD and I have the worse case of wobble you could imagine. I dont think it's any one lift manufacturer that is causing the problem. I just had that truck at the dealer and they strongly recommended a dual steering stabilizer and also switching out my fairly new 315 BFg's, They say the cupping will also cause the wobble. As I read more about this wobble it seems that it is a total trial and error process in addition to how much money you want to throw. I'd hate to see you spend all that money on a different lift and still end up unhappy. Good luck
I was sitting here reading you post i I totally feel your frustration. I'm not sure that switching to Fab is the answer. I have the 6" on my '05 SD and I have the worse case of wobble you could imagine. I dont think it's any one lift manufacturer that is causing the problem. I just had that truck at the dealer and they strongly recommended a dual steering stabilizer and also switching out my fairly new 315 BFg's, They say the cupping will also cause the wobble. As I read more about this wobble it seems that it is a total trial and error process in addition to how much money you want to throw. I'd hate to see you spend all that money on a different lift and still end up unhappy. Good luck
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wobble
I realize that it might not be the lift that is causing the problem completely. However, having the new lift installed means that the company installing the new lift will be responsible for any new " wobble" problems. Installing the new lift will mean that everything will be done correctly and any new problems are their problems...not mine.
As you and I have both read, there are as many different opinions on how to fix the problem as there are trucks with the problem. Having the new lift means that the tires will be balanced, alignment done, everything torqued down, castor set, ....almost at square one.
Fyi...the truck is in the shop today and they just called to inform me that the genius who did the lift in the first place, zap strapped the front brake lines to the coil springs...and guess what...they are almost worn thru....
As you and I have both read, there are as many different opinions on how to fix the problem as there are trucks with the problem. Having the new lift means that the tires will be balanced, alignment done, everything torqued down, castor set, ....almost at square one.
Fyi...the truck is in the shop today and they just called to inform me that the genius who did the lift in the first place, zap strapped the front brake lines to the coil springs...and guess what...they are almost worn thru....
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No more posts from me, but I would start checking the mileage on your vehicle. Seems something is not correct. No one in America still spins speedometers, and everyone is honest, and we will all go to heaven!
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The alignment could not be completed because the lift kit that came with the truck did not leave any room for castor adjustment. So, instead of ordering the new part to fix the castor adjustment, I have decided to have the shop install a brand new 6" Fabteck lift. This way, the truck can be stripped down to original, and the shop will be responsible for properly installing the new lift kit. The shop could not find out what kind of lift the truck has now, noname. So for $3000 more, I will have a new lift and the knowledge of knowing who installed it and who will make sure the wobble is gone for good. I did not intend on spending this money, but , as a Canadian, I figure I saved 15-20000 dollars buying it out of Texas. I also plan on driving this truck for a long time...unless I have to sell a kidney to buy diesel.......
If you want something where you can adjust the caster easily......Icon Vehicle Dynamics 4-link or Rize 4-link.
Just my opinion.