Banks vs ATS vs.............
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Banks vs ATS vs.............
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I think I have finally talked myself into putting a turbo on my truck, the truck I have is a 93 F250 4x4 with 7.3 n/a and E40d trans, so here is my delima.
I have looked on-line about all the turbo's available for our trucks and really am undecided what to do, I do know Dave S. has the ATS on his truck and I have talked to another guy that has the banks and he swears by it, said the difference is unbeliveable. My local parts guy can get me the complete Banks Sidewinder set up for around $2800 (not bad in opinion) and he can get me free shipping thru his buisness, I did not have him check on the ATS though, so what is really the better deal, I know the ATS is a little cheaper but is it worth it?
I am going to buy one or the other the end of April so I just need to figure out what I am going to do.
Please chime in, especially those with either system.
Thanks, Rob
I think I have finally talked myself into putting a turbo on my truck, the truck I have is a 93 F250 4x4 with 7.3 n/a and E40d trans, so here is my delima.
I have looked on-line about all the turbo's available for our trucks and really am undecided what to do, I do know Dave S. has the ATS on his truck and I have talked to another guy that has the banks and he swears by it, said the difference is unbeliveable. My local parts guy can get me the complete Banks Sidewinder set up for around $2800 (not bad in opinion) and he can get me free shipping thru his buisness, I did not have him check on the ATS though, so what is really the better deal, I know the ATS is a little cheaper but is it worth it?
I am going to buy one or the other the end of April so I just need to figure out what I am going to do.
Please chime in, especially those with either system.
Thanks, Rob
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Well my truck came out of the factory with an ATS turbo how many came with a banks turbo? None. I have no expireance with the Banks system so don't know wich is better. But from what i've heard Banks has discontenued there turbo kit. Also there was a bit of rd into choseing wich turbo to put on the early 94 trucks. Ford went with ATS and when international turboed there V8s they used the Hypermax but this motor was the T444E same as the early Powerstroke not sure wich one ford used. The new ATS kits come with the aurora 2000 turbo wich is one of the better turbos out there. I'm happy with my ATS but will be happier when I undo what ford did to it, restrictive waste gate housing and down pipe. If it were my money I would go with the ATS. Hopefully some one with the banks kit will chime in with some couterpoints so you can make an informed decision.
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Hm. I wonder what kind of turbo the Banks system comes with.
ATS is still using the T04B turbo which is an old design and not super efficient, Banks may be using a T04E or something else entirely.
ATS is still using the T04B turbo which is an old design and not super efficient, Banks may be using a T04E or something else entirely.
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I know that Inconel 713 is a high temp stainless alloy. i've worked on Garret Turbines for several years and they make some good quality items but have been a little concerned since they were bought by Allied Signal (FRAM).
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And yeah, Inconel is an alloy made for high temps. I've mostly heard of it used for valves, and turbine wheels in turbos.
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Yes, Banks still make turbo kits for idi motors and yes they are made by Garrett, I have been researching this for a couple of months now and to be honest I am leaning more towards Banks only because with the kit (without bying the kit and ordering just the turbo, downpipe, etc.) it is actually a better deal, you get the turbo system, air intake, exhaust, and trans command. If Dave S. numbers are correct (I do believe they are) you could not go wrong with a turbo kit as far as performance goes. My only problem as with most peoples, is trailering up grades, I pull a 32' camper several times a year and a boat 2 or 3 times a week (I fish a lot!).
The ATS system does not include all the above that is why it is several hundred dollars cheaper, not saying so much one company is better than another but still believe Banks has the better deal. I do know that Ford had originally put ATS turbos on Powerstrokes when they started but does not mean a whole lot now only because technolgy changes, even then my brother in law had an 87 model F250 with a 6.9 and an aftermarket Banks system that would eat a early Powerstroke.
Thanks for the reply's, more is better.
Rob
The ATS system does not include all the above that is why it is several hundred dollars cheaper, not saying so much one company is better than another but still believe Banks has the better deal. I do know that Ford had originally put ATS turbos on Powerstrokes when they started but does not mean a whole lot now only because technolgy changes, even then my brother in law had an 87 model F250 with a 6.9 and an aftermarket Banks system that would eat a early Powerstroke.
Thanks for the reply's, more is better.
Rob
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If you have the E4OD tranny, you definatly want to change the settings in it after a turbo. Electronic isn't the best way to get more line pressure, but its better than nothing.
My understanding is that the latest Banks system uses a mitsubishi heavy industries turbo. I don't think either company uses the garrett T4 series of turbo anymore (T04B or T04E). Maybe hypermax still uses it but not sure.
My understanding is that the latest Banks system uses a mitsubishi heavy industries turbo. I don't think either company uses the garrett T4 series of turbo anymore (T04B or T04E). Maybe hypermax still uses it but not sure.
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I was hoping Dave S. would get on here and give me some info, I am sure Dave has seen most of them all.
I do have another question though, I normally do all my own work but has anyone ever had a system like this installed? and what was the cost?
Thanks
I do have another question though, I normally do all my own work but has anyone ever had a system like this installed? and what was the cost?
Thanks
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The Aurora 2000 came out right after I got my last turbo, but I think it is still a Garrett turbo.
Installing a turbo is not a huge deal.
If you can change an exhaust system and replace external engine parts, you should do fine.
The only hard part is a bit of relief in the cab seam to clear the 3" downpipe and dealing with rusty fasteners.
Easy weekend project.
Banks or ATS is a toss up.
ATS has thousands of hours working with Ford on the original design, Banks probably has about the same working on theirs.
I like my ATS, have no reason to think about changing to another brand.
Installing a turbo is not a huge deal.
If you can change an exhaust system and replace external engine parts, you should do fine.
The only hard part is a bit of relief in the cab seam to clear the 3" downpipe and dealing with rusty fasteners.
Easy weekend project.
Banks or ATS is a toss up.
ATS has thousands of hours working with Ford on the original design, Banks probably has about the same working on theirs.
I like my ATS, have no reason to think about changing to another brand.
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