Engine Identification Help!!!!!!!!
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Engine Identification Help!!!!!!!!
Hey whats up people, i hope yall can be more helpful than ford dealers or anyone else. So i bought a 302 with the intent to rebuild it to a 347 stroker and drop it in my ranger. Well the dealer told me by looking at the water pump that it was an F150 engine so i bought a new water pump (old one was bad) and when i mounted it to the stock timing cover low and behold it bolted up fine but where the water exits the pump i could stick my pinky finger in. So i deduced that it was not an F150 engine (thanks ford dealer).
Does anyone know how i can identify what the heck this engine came out of? please email me if you know how
inguela01@hotmail.com
we put on a mustang pump and at least it lines everything up but still doesnt look like it fits perfectly. it bolts up perfectly and all the water holes line up so it may not be a problem but it doesnt cover the full area that it should on the timing cover. doesnt look like a problem but we'll see. if you email me i can get pics of the mustang pump on the timing cover
Does anyone know how i can identify what the heck this engine came out of? please email me if you know how
inguela01@hotmail.com
we put on a mustang pump and at least it lines everything up but still doesnt look like it fits perfectly. it bolts up perfectly and all the water holes line up so it may not be a problem but it doesnt cover the full area that it should on the timing cover. doesnt look like a problem but we'll see. if you email me i can get pics of the mustang pump on the timing cover
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If you get up under it and look right above the starter, there will be a 4 digit code followed by the part#. Example: E7TE-6015. Get that code and post it here and any number of people will be able to tell you what you have. If you trust that the intake is original to the motor you could get the code off it, (same basic deal w/ a diff part#, but the block is much more reliable.
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Hi and welcome to the site! We don't really email people with answers, the intent of the forum is for sharing of information. If you go with the forum default in setting up your user options then you should be emailed automatically whenever a post is made on this thread.
Get the casting number and date codes as mentioned above and that will be a start, this may also be of some help:
Get the casting number and date codes as mentioned above and that will be a start, this may also be of some help:
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Check the timing cover casting numbers, as you can see by the pics Tigerdan posted, the late 80's reverse rotation cover's coolant ports are also reversed. These covers were used on the pickup, van & Mustang 5.0 and 351W's, plus some Lincoln Mark VII's. All others used a std rotation cover. The block casting numbers won't tell you anything as far as what vehicle the motor was originally installed in.
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ID #'s i found
ok so here is a list of #'s i found.
Block sitting behind it like its in a car
drivers side - F1FE
passanger side - 3A11
top - DF139176
Air intake
RF-E65E-9K461-03A
Timing cover
RF-E3AE-6059-CA
I have tired to have some of these part #'s cross referenced but no one seems to be able to do it. Im trying to find what vehicle this engine once belonged to.
Block sitting behind it like its in a car
drivers side - F1FE
passanger side - 3A11
top - DF139176
Air intake
RF-E65E-9K461-03A
Timing cover
RF-E3AE-6059-CA
I have tired to have some of these part #'s cross referenced but no one seems to be able to do it. Im trying to find what vehicle this engine once belonged to.
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ok so i messed up in the engine # it is F1SE. and the heads are E7tE
everything i have found associates these 2 #'s with mustang, cougar, and tbird. ill list websites in a sec. I do know the engine is an HO and from this one website it only listed the mustang as the HO. can anyone help?
http://www.cehighperformance.com/for..._codes.htm#302
for this site i found the block # and head #'s. now i was told this was a 1993 and it lists 1993 cars with these same #'s even though it starts with F1 and it also lists 1991 cars.
http://remanufactured.com/Ford_8_Cylinder_Engines.htm
this website i scrolled down to find the 302's and all my stuff has either E or T on it so i looked at the vin TE category and it listed everything my bock has and once again associated mustang, cougar, and tbirds
anyone have any good information on this for me? do all 3 use interchangeable parts?
everything i have found associates these 2 #'s with mustang, cougar, and tbird. ill list websites in a sec. I do know the engine is an HO and from this one website it only listed the mustang as the HO. can anyone help?
http://www.cehighperformance.com/for..._codes.htm#302
for this site i found the block # and head #'s. now i was told this was a 1993 and it lists 1993 cars with these same #'s even though it starts with F1 and it also lists 1991 cars.
http://remanufactured.com/Ford_8_Cylinder_Engines.htm
this website i scrolled down to find the 302's and all my stuff has either E or T on it so i looked at the vin TE category and it listed everything my bock has and once again associated mustang, cougar, and tbirds
anyone have any good information on this for me? do all 3 use interchangeable parts?
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The year #'s are more important than the vehicle in was in. The main thing that won't interchange is the timing cover and water pump. You need to look closely at the diagrahmns submitted earlier and match up your timing cover to the ones shown. Pay particular attention to the reverse water pump timing cover, as I believe there are really only 2 different water pumps, and the reverse rotation looks totally different from the standard. If you've gone through 2, you probably have the correct one now. Whoever sold you the 1st pump was probably mentally challenged, only a parts pusher would classify pumps by vehicle. I'll bet you a nickle your motor had a serpentine belt, and another one that it uses a reverse rotation pump.
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ok in reply to the last help i did look at the timing cover and its the 302B model. the thing i worry about is that my performance shop said that even though something lines up like the water pump it could be a different neck length. yes it was a serpentine belt.
i found a few websites that list it from being a 91-93 and went into cougars, mark V's, mustangs, tbirds
the engine is a HO engine and it only listed the HO engines with teh mustangs. I had another guy tell me the the SE in the engine # stood for thunderbird. so basically i still am not sure because that website i talked about listed my engine # and head # the same for all those cars through the 3 years.
i found a few websites that list it from being a 91-93 and went into cougars, mark V's, mustangs, tbirds
the engine is a HO engine and it only listed the HO engines with teh mustangs. I had another guy tell me the the SE in the engine # stood for thunderbird. so basically i still am not sure because that website i talked about listed my engine # and head # the same for all those cars through the 3 years.
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so i keep coming up with the same things and same makes, years, and model cars.
Fuel injected, roller cam, knock sensor, HO, passenger car91-93 T-Bird, Cougar, 91-95 Mustang
my engine is all of these things, an HO, and on the top front of the engine it says in caps WCP next to the distributer hole. if i remember corrcetly WCP is correct. any of this helping? also the mustang pump was $24 and the tbird pump almost $50 so i dont think there the same
it also sas BB after the block # so it really reads F1SE BB
Fuel injected, roller cam, knock sensor, HO, passenger car91-93 T-Bird, Cougar, 91-95 Mustang
my engine is all of these things, an HO, and on the top front of the engine it says in caps WCP next to the distributer hole. if i remember corrcetly WCP is correct. any of this helping? also the mustang pump was $24 and the tbird pump almost $50 so i dont think there the same
it also sas BB after the block # so it really reads F1SE BB
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For anyone reading or following this thread thank you for all your help. I think i have concluded it to be a Mustang engine. I got a hold of a Ford dealer who we went through part after part, including injectors to throttle bodies ect. All where the same on the cars i have listed but different throttle bodies for trucks. Then i asked him to look at the belt tensioner and brackets and he did and noticed cougar and t-bird are the same and mustang is different so he faxed me copies of the 2 and from what i can tell it looks much more like the mustang tensioner than cougar or t-bird.
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Yeah, it's always nice to have a happy ending. I still don't quite understand the whole problem and the necessity to nail down which vehicle it was in. Is it because you were trying to match up a water pump to other pulley driven devices? And did you swap the original water pump for a core charge without checking to see if they matched? Just curious.What is messing with my mind is you say you matched it up to a standard rotation timing chain cover and you say you have a reverse rotation pump.
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to doug.. the reason i wanted to know what vehicle it came from is because on some of the engines the parts are different and so instead of buying all new parts to match one vehicle i can use some of the old ones and replace the bad ones so thats why i needed to know what it came from. so to answer your question i did need a new water pump and they are all different for different cars even though many ran the 302. I was originally told by a ford company that it was an F150 so i bought one and yes we matched it up to the core and must not have paid to much attention because we thought they lined up but didnt on the timing cover. then come to find out its a car engine because we looked at the throttle body which was different for cars and trucks. lastly i dont think i said it was reverse rotation because it is standard rotation. infact it matches the pic up top the 302B. but for the most part i just wanted to know what it came from so i can get parts. its now stroked to a 347 and once i get the money will have a roots blower added on then dropped into my little ford ranger. so it should be fun