5 Speed bell housing bolt pattern?
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5 Speed bell housing bolt pattern?
How do I find if the 5 speed man. transmission from a 2002 or newer 2.3L will bolt to the older 2.3l and 2.5L engines?
I called a bone yard today and his interchange book just says same trans from mid 2001 to present.
Thanks
I called a bone yard today and his interchange book just says same trans from mid 2001 to present.
Thanks
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As far as I know they have used the M50D since the late 80's, early 90's. There maybe some differences in internial slave cylinders, really not an expert, just know they have used the same manual tranny for a long time now.
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I asked a similar question on another thread "5 Speed Manual Transmission".
My question was, "Does anyone know how many bolt patterns (transmission to engine) there are? For example, is there one bolt pattern for the 2.3 L engine from 1988 to 2000 Ranger and 1994-97 B2300 Mazda? Is the bolt pattern the same for all V6 engines from 1988 to 2000 or 2001? In other words, is the 3.0 and 4.0 bolt pattern the same? Lastly, I suspect that the 2001-2008 4.0L SOHC is different from the 3.0/4.0L bolt pattern. Can anyone confirm or dispute that?
I called the local Ford dealer today and their parts book seemed to indicate many (20-30) different models of the 5 speed manual transmission. Next I researched several transmission rebuilding web sites. They appeared to have three transmission models as mentioned above. I was unable to talk with anybody directly and no one responded to email or voice inquiries. I will be very appreciative if anyone here has thoughts on this. "
Here is the response from RangerPilot.
"Ed, the 2.0L, 2.3L, and 2.5L all share a common bolt pattern.
The 3.0L has a unique bolt pattern all it's own.
The 2.8L, 2.9L, and both the 4.0L OHV and SOHC share the same bolt pattern.
The M5OD-R1 goes to the 2.3L/2.5L/3.0L, albeit with different ratios depending on engine. Since the bellhousing isn't removable, it will only fit the original engine family it was designed for.
The M5OD-R1HD goes to the 4.0L, it's "beefed up" and features different ratios. As with the light duty R1, it is engine family specific in it's bolt patterns.
And the M5OD-R2 goes to the F-150."
Hope this helps you.
Ed
My question was, "Does anyone know how many bolt patterns (transmission to engine) there are? For example, is there one bolt pattern for the 2.3 L engine from 1988 to 2000 Ranger and 1994-97 B2300 Mazda? Is the bolt pattern the same for all V6 engines from 1988 to 2000 or 2001? In other words, is the 3.0 and 4.0 bolt pattern the same? Lastly, I suspect that the 2001-2008 4.0L SOHC is different from the 3.0/4.0L bolt pattern. Can anyone confirm or dispute that?
I called the local Ford dealer today and their parts book seemed to indicate many (20-30) different models of the 5 speed manual transmission. Next I researched several transmission rebuilding web sites. They appeared to have three transmission models as mentioned above. I was unable to talk with anybody directly and no one responded to email or voice inquiries. I will be very appreciative if anyone here has thoughts on this. "
Here is the response from RangerPilot.
"Ed, the 2.0L, 2.3L, and 2.5L all share a common bolt pattern.
The 3.0L has a unique bolt pattern all it's own.
The 2.8L, 2.9L, and both the 4.0L OHV and SOHC share the same bolt pattern.
The M5OD-R1 goes to the 2.3L/2.5L/3.0L, albeit with different ratios depending on engine. Since the bellhousing isn't removable, it will only fit the original engine family it was designed for.
The M5OD-R1HD goes to the 4.0L, it's "beefed up" and features different ratios. As with the light duty R1, it is engine family specific in it's bolt patterns.
And the M5OD-R2 goes to the F-150."
Hope this helps you.
Ed
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"Ed, the 2.0L, 2.3L, and 2.5L all share a common bolt pattern.
The 3.0L has a unique bolt pattern all it's own.
The 2.8L, 2.9L, and both the 4.0L OHV and SOHC share the same bolt pattern.
The M5OD-R1 goes to the 2.3L/2.5L/3.0L, albeit with different ratios depending on engine. Since the bellhousing isn't removable, it will only fit the original engine family it was designed for.
The M5OD-R1HD goes to the 4.0L, it's "beefed up" and features different ratios. As with the light duty R1, it is engine family specific in it's bolt patterns.
And the M5OD-R2 goes to the F-150."
The 3.0L has a unique bolt pattern all it's own.
The 2.8L, 2.9L, and both the 4.0L OHV and SOHC share the same bolt pattern.
The M5OD-R1 goes to the 2.3L/2.5L/3.0L, albeit with different ratios depending on engine. Since the bellhousing isn't removable, it will only fit the original engine family it was designed for.
The M5OD-R1HD goes to the 4.0L, it's "beefed up" and features different ratios. As with the light duty R1, it is engine family specific in it's bolt patterns.
And the M5OD-R2 goes to the F-150."
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The big question is (and I honestly don't know the answer) is the bellhousing pattern the same on a 2.3l Duratec as it is on a 2.3l Lima? I would love for someone to tell me the Duratec is just a 4Valve Lima, but AFAIK they are totally unrelated except that they happen to share the same displacement, any interchange of any kind would be coincidental. Someone please correct me!
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Originally Posted by Pablo-UA
All M5OD trannies have interchangeble bellhousings. Yeah, bellhousing is integrated to tranny, but easy to swap... Look for manual in internet how to do it....
The 4 cylinders all have the same bolt pattern.
The 3.0 has a different bolt pattern.
The 4.0 has a different bolt pattern that is shared w/ 2.8 and 2.9 engines.
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Originally Posted by rubydist
That is incorrect - the bellhousing on all M5OD's are integral to the tranny and are not removable.
The 4 cylinders all have the same bolt pattern.
The 3.0 has a different bolt pattern.
The 4.0 has a different bolt pattern that is shared w/ 2.8 and 2.9 engines.
The 4 cylinders all have the same bolt pattern.
The 3.0 has a different bolt pattern.
The 4.0 has a different bolt pattern that is shared w/ 2.8 and 2.9 engines.
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