CAT why not?
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I heard that they would never consider it because of emission standards was the number one reason and that they already owe huge fines for not meeting current emission standards on there motors. and they don't want the headache. could be wrong though.
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From: Blairsville,Ga
Originally Posted by mrxlh
Weight wise, and length wise the 3306 would go, however it is a tad underpowered for what everyone is wanting. It would however last for quite a few miles, and be a snap to work on.
HP wasn't that bad no problem with 320
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From: Coweta,GA, GO DAWGS!!!!!!
The only thing that cat currently has that would work in a sd ford would be an industrial engine that I call a perkapillar. But that engine would still have to be reworked for highway use and emissions. Cat makes a good strong engine(most of the time, many were or are turds) but ford is doing the correct thing in going inhouse to build their diesels. And if you've driven a truck with a c-7/3126/3116 I can't imagine your impressed?!?!?!? I've never been impressed by that platform, total lack of power for most of the applications it's used in, too heavy all around, cannot stand the injection system.......and the list goes on for me anyway. I'll take the dt466/530 or the cummins C series over the yellow anchor......and don't tell my dad those words ever came out of my mouth, I was raised to be a cat man, but cummins and international have made my living.
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Originally Posted by meanv10
I heard that they would never consider it because of emission standards was the number one reason and that they already owe huge fines for not meeting current emission standards on there motors. and they don't want the headache. could be wrong though.
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This pops up every few months, and like what was already said, cat probably has no interest at all in the light duty segment
The cummins contract runs up in 2012, but I don't think dodge is in a hurry to drop cummins, with the new 6.7s getting better, and that cummins has developed some light duty V6 and v8 diesels for the dodge half ton
The cummins contract runs up in 2012, but I don't think dodge is in a hurry to drop cummins, with the new 6.7s getting better, and that cummins has developed some light duty V6 and v8 diesels for the dodge half ton
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From: Bucks county PA
Originally Posted by kirkland
I drive a freightliner at work with a cat c7. it's too much engine for a pickup truck, I think. way too huge, way too torquey, way too slow reving.
If the need and want arised, couldnt you just re-compute the CAT?
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The 3208 is junk. It's slow and resembles a boat anchor. We've been phasing them out at work.
Whatever they decide to do, they better do it right. The last two engines don't have to best rep any more.
Whatever they decide to do, they better do it right. The last two engines don't have to best rep any more.
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Originally Posted by MexicanScaper987
When you consider how the 6.0L was in many of the International 3800 series school buses and other related chasis,and it had a different power span. The 6.0 in the superduty trucks has been computer modified for more power and such.
If the need and want arised, couldnt you just re-compute the CAT?
If the need and want arised, couldnt you just re-compute the CAT?
When Ford got the diesel engine from International did they get the DT466?
So what would lead anyone to believe that even if Caterpillar supplied an engine for Ford Super Duties that it would be the C7 or an inline six of any sort for that matter?
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I see that if Dodge dumps Cummins for Mercedes, which is a strong possiblity, I was under the impression their contract runs out in 09, but I could easily be wrong about that, and if Ford makes their own motor, which would be a huge mistake, they screwed up Internationals motors with their computer crap bad enough, imagine how bad their own motor would be, anyway I could see Toyota getting a Cummins, and Nissan getting a Powerstroke. Nissan has done business with International before, they had a small cabover truck, built by UD(Nissan Trucks), but they sold them as UD trucks and International Trucks. As International slowly makes their way back into the pickup truck business with their new 3/4 ton luxury vehicle they have developed, nice truck but ridiculously priced at above 80000, I could see Nissan and International building an entire truck together, with Nissan building the truck and International building the engine, but selling it under both names. This would leave the 3/4 and 1 ton truck industry changed for life, and I personally would probablly by the Nissan/International, I love the International engines and I love Nissan's Titan, so A combination would be awesome.
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Yeah Cat wants nothing to do w/ emissions. If IH would have given Ford the DT466 I think the world would be different as we know it (as far as performance goes) I don't honestly think the 5.9 Cummins would have been all that popular if Ford had a DT466 in them, the cummins would have been in a shadow all it's life. Plus as far as performance upgrades go, a 466 would prolly still be taking new trucks to the cleaners at truck pulls, since it's basic block came from tractors (the 414 and 466) they have been around since the 70's and have been moded ever since then.
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the DT466 is to large for a pickup
The 466 is probly the best engine international ever built basically starting life as a DT406 in the 60s it has been used as a stand alone power plant and put in varied earth moving equipment like dozers,loaders and scrapers as well as farm equipment and class seven trucks
The 466 is probly the best engine international ever built basically starting life as a DT406 in the 60s it has been used as a stand alone power plant and put in varied earth moving equipment like dozers,loaders and scrapers as well as farm equipment and class seven trucks
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Here you go:
http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080312?rpc=44
The way I read that, Cat IS thinking about leaving on-highway. ACERT has not worked out all that well, and the article even states that new technology will be needed to meet 2010 standards. That's going to come up real soon, and Cat better have something under development NOW. PACCAR is teaming up with Cummins, Navistar with MAN, and Volvo/Mack make their own diesels.
http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080312?rpc=44
The way I read that, Cat IS thinking about leaving on-highway. ACERT has not worked out all that well, and the article even states that new technology will be needed to meet 2010 standards. That's going to come up real soon, and Cat better have something under development NOW. PACCAR is teaming up with Cummins, Navistar with MAN, and Volvo/Mack make their own diesels.