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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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Well here I go again bringing up this old thread, but I figured an update was needed.
I set the timing at 6* and it still didnt help. I got to thinking about the setup I had. I thought possibly my fans wernt moving enough air for my giant sized radiator. I ditched the E-fans, got a STOCK radiator, stock fans and a shroud. Got it all set up and Im happy to say it is absolutly fixed 100%.
I sat stuck the other night for 2.5 hours with it running/reving and I did not go over 190. It sat at about 170-180 for the most part.
So I figured I'd give an update and hopefully help out some of the other guys with the issue. I think I just proved the statement made that these motors will not overheat stock, and thats the way they should stay.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Anytime you make a dramatic change or solve a problem an update is called for! Im glad to hear you solved it,at least now when your stuck you wont need to watch the temp gauge.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by iggybob44
Anytime you make a dramatic change or solve a problem an update is called for! Im glad to hear you solved it,at least now when your stuck you wont need to watch the temp gauge.
Yeah, its kinda funny how you add all these mods to try to fix a problem, when all you gotta do is go back to the way it was originally.
Oh well...lesson learned (expensive lesson)
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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10 months and 90 posts later, we went back to square 1. WOW!



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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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10 months and 90 posts later, we went back to square 1. WOW!



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Sorry this wasnt in my top priority list. Ive been doin alot with the truck drivetrain wise...
And it only gets drove once every month or two. So its seems like a while, but really not.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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10 months and 90 posts later, we went back to square 1. WOW!



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Sorry this wasnt in my top priority list. Ive been doin alot with the truck drivetrain wise...
And it only gets drove once every month or two. So its seems like a while, but really not.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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Are you sure that you dont have a head gasket on back words???
 
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 11:56 PM
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Also you need to run a 195- 205 stat not a 160 or a 180! The reason why is it gives the hot coolant time to cool off in the radiator! Otherwise those colder water stats dont give it enough time and it stays wide open and that's why you can never keep it cool and it gets HOT!!! Ask me how I know that LOL
 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ford428CJ
Also you need to run a 195- 205 stat not a 160 or a 180! The reason why is it gives the hot coolant time to cool off in the radiator! Otherwise those colder water stats dont give it enough time and it stays wide open and that's why you can never keep it cool and it gets HOT!!! Ask me how I know that LOL
If you have an adequate size radiator with enough air flow, that just is not true. The higher temp stats are an emissions thing,
 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Another problem solved with a GOOD CLEAN NOT CLOGGED radiator, and proper stock parts.

glad to hear you solved the problem....
 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
The higher temp stats are an emissions thing,
Yeah but, not "only" an emissions thing...
...the 160*F thermostat is also a...
..."really bad for your oil thing" too. ;)

Does hotter combustion temperatures reduce NOx a/o CO emissions?
Or the other way around?

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12 finned Flow Kooler
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...and my gas mileage is suffering! :/
 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Alvin in AZ
Yeah but, not "only" an emissions thing...
...the 160*F thermostat is also a...
..."really bad for your oil thing" too.

Does hotter combustion temperatures reduce NOx a/o CO emissions?
Or the other way around?

Alvin in AZ
360FE/T18 that's running "too cool" down the highway lately with...
12 finned Flow Kooler
192*F Robert Shaw
4 core radiator
...and my gas mileage is suffering! :/
Well, I never saw higher than a 180° thermostat until the Government morons started pushing emissions. 160° and 180° were standard from the factory until then. Also never saw moisture in oil problems with anybodies oil until the early 70's "gas shortage" BS. I don't really care about what causes what. All I know is the majority of the emissions stuff was a way for the government to get the public use to being told what they can and can't do and of course a way for the government to get bigger at our expense.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
If you have an adequate size radiator with enough air flow, that just is not true. The higher temp stats are an emissions thing,

I wouldn't say that. I had to run a 190 T stat in my Ford 428 with a 4 core stock rad in it! It all depends on what you are running! When it got to 100 to 110 out side, it staid at 190 and no higher. I tried running a 180 and it would creep up to 200- 210 around town. So I would say, NOT in all cases!!!
 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
Well, I never saw higher than a 180° thermostat until the Government morons started pushing emissions. 160° and 180° were standard from the factory until then. Also never saw moisture in oil problems with anybodies oil until the early 70's "gas shortage" BS. I don't really care about what causes what. All I know is the majority of the emissions stuff was a way for the government to get the public use to being told what they can and can't do and of course a way for the government to get bigger at our expense.
Not all true! If you run a 160 stat on the street, you are looking for more wear and tear on your engine. That's a proven fact. If all you do is drag racing, then that is one thing. But in a daily driver, 160 doesn't get the oil hot enough to help prevent wear.

As for the moisture thing also depends on what brand of oil your running. I didn't have that problem when I used Kendall GT-1 or Valvoline race oil. When I used Castrol or another brand of oil, I had moisture under the valve cover. Otherwise everything was good to go! JMHO
 
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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I have never seen anything but a 180º in any truck that i have dealt with. Because of the huge frontal opening have never seen one get hot when rolling, but they will get hot sitting still idling both in and out of traffic.

Yall get to mixing too many none truck issues in this forum. IMHO


John
 
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