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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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RPM Sensor

I just tested the RPM sensor. I unhooked the connector and put my pos lead into each side with the neg at the battery. According to what I read here:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/2...-the-mlps.html

I should get and increase in the voltage reading. I got nothing so.... I am assuming that my RPM sensor is bad. Would I be correct? Or is there other possibilities?

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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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Does your tach work?
 
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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It seems to function correctly but I am curious if its sending bad signals elsewhere.

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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dakotajeep
It seems to function correctly but I am curious if its sending bad signals elsewhere.

Thad
If your tach reading is accurate and steady, than its probably not the sensor. But I think you made a mistake with your test.


1.RPM sensor
Diesel only- very common Ford part # E5TZ-17B384-A. May or may not set code 14/211 (RPM sensor circuit failure). A bad RPM sensor can cause LU and/ or the shifls to go in and out (cycle back and forth).


Check RPM sensor with DVOM set to on AC voltage. RPM sensor is
located below the engine oil filler neck in the housing.

Here's how to check it
1. Remove 2-wire connector end.
2. Hook meter leads to pins on sensor. It doesn't matter which way you hook up the red or black leads.
3. Set scale to AC/ 0 to 40-volt scale..
4. Start engine in park. Raise rpm while watching DVOM.
5. Voltage must increase or RPM sensor is bad.
One lead goes to each wire, and nothing is grounded to the chassis, also make sure the meter is set to AC nor DC. Polarity does not matter since this is an AC signal.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 11:18 PM
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I tried putting both leads on the connector end and got nothing trying that.....It was set to AC as described!

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Old Feb 3, 2008 | 09:50 PM
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it also depends on the sampling rate of the tester a voltage test isnt a good test at any rate on the tach sensor , it can be faulty but still emit a/c voltage the only real test is with a hertz meter
 
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 09:02 AM
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I think that I am going to replace the VSS and the RPM sensor just to rule them out. They are not that expensive. If that doesnt work at least I have replacements.....

I am trying to figure out my torque converter locking and unlocking issue. Maybe this will help. The more I think about it, it seems that I maybe way off.

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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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Check your brake pedal assy and switch....... the pedal assy can operate the switch if there is worn bushings etc any brake light operation unlocks the TC.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 06:58 PM
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Pete

I was monitoring the tail lights as I was driving the other night and its seems to lock and unlock without the tail lights coming on.

I read on the diesel stop that you said there is a solenoid in the tranny solenoid pack that operates the TC. Is that a possibility? Just curious....

Thad
 
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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the solenoid you are speaking of is called the TCC solenoid it is part of the solenoid assembly quite costly and extremely rare to fail such as your description , my #1 guess would be the fipl sensor due to fluctuating voltage , the vss usually affects gear command and not just tcc cycling the tach sensor could be a concern if it has intermittant signal spikes
 
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 05:57 PM
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The FIPL reads correctly on the middle wire but it has bad signals on the other two (ground and reference voltage wires).

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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 10:11 PM
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have you replaced the fipl sensor
 
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 10:31 PM
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yes, twice.....
 
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 10:39 PM
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since you are having issues and have replaced it and also based on past experience , i recommend installing three new wires from the fipl to the pcm you can run them individually of the wiring loom and just cut the connections a few inches from the pcm and the fipl eliminate the original three wires with new ones if you have the tools and experience soldering the splices and using heat shrink tubing to insulate the connection is best
 
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 06:58 AM
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I may try that....it will be a few weeks until I have "extra" time.

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