CEL On?
Now, as for the CEL, the ECM has detected something is wrong. If you're not burning a horrible amount of fuel, it probably isn't the ECT (Engine Coolant Temperature) sensor. These normally cause "limp mode" when they fail, and the ECM will dump ENORMOUS amounts of fuel in the engine, and retard the timing, because it has no idea how hot the engine is. Dumping in the extra fuel will keep it running cooler because of richer, less complete, combustion. Retarding the timing will also keep it running cooler. This keeps the the truck running until you can get it home or to a service center. You didn't say anything about abnormally low fuel mileage (4-6 mpg on a 5.0) so we'll move on to another possibility.
If there's a delay from the time you start the engine, say 10 minutes or about 5-6 miles, chances are the O2 sensor is telling you the mix is lean or the O2 Sensor is no longer switching. Not switching does not necessarily mean that the O2 sensor is bad. Not switching could mean either constantly lean or rich exhaust. Typically, for the price, most replace the O2 sensor if that's the code the ECM is throwing.
Another code that will be delayed would be an EGR/EVP code. The EGR is not opened until the engine is warm, above idle, and vehicle moving. It is for economy at cruising speed and emissions reduction. When the ECM tells the EGR to open, there is a sensor on that which gives a feedback to the ECM to let it know that it did indeed open. If that signal (EVP [EGR Valve Position]) does not follow the command, the ECM will turn on the CEL. If it is because the valve is actually stuck and not moving, this will result in reduced economy, or surging idle, or even random miss and rough idle. You may even get some pinging due to lean conditions, which will also cause an O2 not switching code.
Most any other code that will turn on the CEL and keep it on usually results in a very poorly running engine, if it will run at all. In your first post, you said the truck is running fine, so chances are you have codes for EGR, O2, or maybe ACT (Air Charge Temperature). The ACT is down on the manifold in the #5 intake runner (front right facing the front of the truck) and sends the air temperature in the intake to the ECM. This allows the ECM to compensate for air density based on temperature, as well as vacuum level (MAP).
You've been told repeatedly to pull codes, and I'll simply re-iterate that we won't be able to give you a direct answer without the code(s) that is causing the latched CEL. I'm sure you have a paper clip readily accessible. You have time to come in here and read, so that means you have time to go to www.fordfuelinjection.com and read. You're travelling home from school, so that means you have a warm engine when you get home. It'll take all of 15 minutes of your busy schedule to pull the codes. You get off work some time after school, and go back home to sleep. I don't think missing 15 minutes one night is going to hurt you if you're young enough to still be in school. Besides that, the first test is done without the engine even running, so it ain't like you've gotta drive to do the testing. Most of it, you do sitting in the driver's seat.
So, again, pull the codes, then we can help you. We could all guess from now on, and have you replace one sensor at a time at great expense to you, and much frustration to us. Or, you could take 15 minutes, pull the codes, and we can give you educated recommendations on what to target first with some educated information.
The whole code thing, i really dont have time, it sucks. Do i need to get the codes when the light is ON? or will it show when its not on?
Oh, and im posting and reading IN school lol, cant exactly walk outside and work on my truck
The whole code thing, i really dont have time, it sucks. Do i need to get the codes when the light is ON? or will it show when its not on?
Oh, and im posting and reading IN school lol, cant exactly walk outside and work on my truck
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So IMO the testers are worthless....I bought one and dont even use it...
So IMO the testers are worthless....I bought one and dont even use it...
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=EQU&MfrPartNumber=3145& CategoryCode=3389
OBD1 and 2, covers all powertrain and emissions, no ABS or SRS though. NAPA number 700-2541 on sale at $379.00. On backorder per the website.
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=EQU&MfrPartNumber=3145& CategoryCode=3389
Itch
BTW....Great post Old_Paint. I think it would take me twice as long to type that out, than it would to pull the codes!
Last edited by Itch71; Jan 30, 2008 at 03:55 PM.
Itch
BTW....Great post Old_Paint. I think it would take me twice as long to type that out, than it would to pull the codes!
Beer is good, and if you're staring down a $300-plus all-singing, all-dancing code reader, I'd be tempted. I'd certainly resort to a paper clip and a pencil.
But $30? If invested in quick and easy access to codes (I found one at Murray's Discount) that 30 bucks will do good things for you not just now, but for a lot longer than a whole case of premium beer. A well cared for truck will run a long time. Remember you only rent beer...



