Ok I have a 2008 350 long bed super cab and need to get my Gross Combined Weight to make sure when I'm hauling work trailers I'm not over.

I also have a 2006 350 drw chassis that says the GCW is 21500 which means I can only have a total of about 12500lbs towing or hauling?

It looks like a 2008 550 chassis has a GCW of 26000 which is right under CDL as I understand?

Thanks guys.

Josh

 

My opinion is that you better have a CDL. These weight rules are so complicated. I am cutting and pasting this from the CFR and I'll give you the URL below:

Subpart F — Vehicle Groups and Endorsements

§383.91 Commercial motor vehicle groups.
Part 383: Commercial Driver's License Standards; Requirements and Penalties

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...ction_toc=1331



(a) Vehicle group descriptions. Each driver applicant must possess and be tested on his/her knowledge and skills, described in subpart G of this part, for the commercial motor vehicle group(s) for which he/she desires a CDL. The commercial motor vehicle groups are as follows:

(a)(1) Combination vehicle (Group A) — Any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).

(a)(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B) — Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) GVWR.

(a)(3) Small Vehicle (Group C) — Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that meets neither the definition of Group A nor that of Group B as contained in this section, but that either is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, or is used in the transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purposes of the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act and which require the motor vehicle to be placarded under the Hazardous Materials Regulations (49 CFR part 172, subpart F).

 

We would need to know the engine, trans and axle ratio you have to figure out what your GCWR is.

As for the '08 550 chassis, it could have a GCWR as high as 33,000 lbs. depending on how it is optioned.

 

PowerStrokeHD:
I think you are missing the question:

I believe Outlaw's question is:

It looks like a 2008 550 chassis has a GCW of 26000 which is right under CDL as I understand?

Further, Outlaw states:

which means I can only have a total of about 12500lbs towing or hauling?

And, the lowest GCWR rating on a F-450 is 27,000 or 28,000; and a Ford F-550 is obviously going to be more, the questions answer seems to be YES, he needs a CDL.

Seems you know an awful lot about these weight rules. I am just reading from the Code of Federal Regulations which all States are required to be in compliance with.

Your comments?

 

Unfortunately it is a must that I try to understand these rules as I am a CDL holder.

As for the OP's question, I understood it as he wanted to know the GCWR of his 350.

As for how much trailer a truck can tow will depend on the weight of the truck. You have to take the GCWR and subtract the weight of the actual (ready to roll) truck. That will determine how much trailer you can tow in goose/5er form. At the same time you also have to make sure the pin weight of the trailer does not push the truck over the GVWR, RGAWR or max tire rating.

 

Outlaw 350:
Can you rephrase your question. IMHO, if your question was, Do I need a CDL license to drive a F-550 Ford with 10,001 # trailer and load, I say you need a CDL. Please reply.

 

Wow guys. I guess I was right in the fact that there is a lot of info about this subject, and lots of different interpritation.


I was wondering what the GCW of my 2008 F-350 6.4 srw 3.73 gears 4x4 was?

I also wondered what the GCW of a 2008 F-550 v-10 chassis 4.88 gears would be?

I have a dump trailer with a 14000lb gvwr, so if I'm pulling that fully loaded I need a CDL?

I am considering getting a f-750 right now, which I know I need a cdl for as it has a 33,000lb GVW.

 

Outlaw:

Believe me, you are not alone. A couple days ago, Power Stroke HD straightened me out. I thought, my 2005 F-350 with GVWR of 13,000#, plus my Horton Trailer, 7ton, de rated to 12,900# at time of purchase, gave me a legal limit of 25,900#; HOWEVER, that is not true, as my GCWR is 23,500#. I still think I do not need a CDL, and that is why I have been active on the subject to get several opinions.

Here is what I still don't understand. How the heck can any State Policeman understand this. You almost need a mfr. rating book to know if a truck is legal or NOT?

 

DOT just cares about the gvw rating of each vehicle. Not the manufacturers GCVWR. Each vehicle means the tow vehicle as one and the trailer as another. As far as manufacturers ratings you have to look at the info from Ford. Technically a dot officer could get picky and make you have a CDL using a f250 pulling a tandem dually gn because your GCVWR would be over 26k.

 

Well, that is what I thought. I like your answer, even if it is wrong. But I spent a new 2005 F-350 & and now a new 2008 F-350, 13,000# GVWR plus Horton trailer 12,900 GVWR. My Truck is GCWR (i.e. "C" is combination) of 23,500#. BUT in in the eyes of someone, I can only haul 25,900# legal, and as I am under 26,000# I do not need a CDL.

Now for the stinger! Do I need to stop at the weigh stations?

 

These rules really only apply if you are using your vehicle for work, meaning you are being paid. Recreational use rules are a little different and honestly I do not know much about them other than they are not so strict.

The only reason you would need a CDL is if your trailer has a GVWR of 10,001 lbs. or more AND your GCWR is 26,001 lbs or more.

So in rmosso1's case his trailer does have a GVWR that exceeds 10,000 lbs, but the GCWR is only 23,500 lbs. So rmosso does not need a CDL.


Outlaw350, here are ther GCWR's that you are wondering about...

The GCWR of your '08 F-350 is 23,000 lbs. With that you would not need a CDL.

Not sure if your dump is a bumper pull or a 5th wheel. If it is a bumper pull, the hitch on your truck is only rated for 12,500 lbs. If it is a 5th wheel you should be ok, probably running close to GCWR though. You may want to find out how much your truck weighs.

The '08 F-550 would have a GCWR of 26,000 lbs. So you would not need a CDL for this truck either.

The only thing you need to drive either of these vehicles for commercial purposes is a DOT medical card.

 

Power stoke HD:
Disagree here. First, agree, "RECREATIONAL" is a different ball game. No CDL with a POTTY. BUT, in my case, I de rated at 7 TON, 14,000 # new Horton Equipment hauler to avoid the need for a CDL. My plate on the trailer says: 12,900# GVWR. My FORD truck is 13,000 # GVWR. Total of the two is 25,900#

Now here is what the FED says:

a)(1) Combination vehicle (Group A) — Any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).

Read slowly, because if you see my point, 26,001, hauling equipment, my own equipment, not for hire, no ICC, just my own load, I would need a CDL if I go over 26,001 # on the GVWR of the total of the GVWR of the truck and trailer (i.e. GVWR's)

 

technically if you're just licensing the trailer for less it does not change the gvwr of that trailer. a dot guy is going to go off the I'd tag that says 14k. but I have yet to see any dot officer care that much about a private vehicle. as far as cdl for a trailer over 10k. in mt it says the gcvw has to over 26k provided the trailer is over 10k. so if your tow vehicle is 18k and the trailer is 9k you would not need one. it isn't any trailer over 10k. like I said though the dot doesn't nornally bother not for hire guys. my 30k flatbed has not for hire sign on it and I blow by all the scales eveb though my gcvw is right at 40k. I do have a cdl.

 

nevermind what I said about 10k trailer. powerstrokehd had it right I just misread it and my phone doesn't like the edit feature for some reason

 

I agree with rmosso, and the DOT will look at what your GCVWR is and if the trailer is below 10,001 lbs. They will get you in Oklahoma for having a truck registered in your home state at say 14,000 and the trailer registered at 12,000 . They will say you are under registered and should be 26,000 on the pickup becaus you must register it at GCVWR. FINE$$$$$$