v-10 vs 6.4
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v-10 vs 6.4
looking around for a new truck or near new. Don't tow a lot. Jet boat with empty truck 10-12 times a year. 9.5 foot camper 10 times a year and half dozen times at the same time. Rest of time is a town truck and highway.
Fuel costs here are $1.10/litre ($4.18/US Gal) for gas and diesel is $4.27/US Gal.
6.0 that I had got an average on its best day of 12/mpg. Had a 200 v-10 that got about the same. loaded was about 9 mpg.
usually keep my trucks 3 year a max of 4.
up here wholesale pricing for oil filter and the two fuel filters for the 6.0 litre diesel was $141.50 including tax plus the 14 litres of oil at $3.50 - $4.00 a litre/quart . What is a v-10 filters etc worth including oil?? Half??
diesel I believe is approx $5000 more option wise
So other than the cool factor of the diesel what do you all think??
Also, what about a manual tranny with the V-10??
Want to put 6 inch lift in whatever I buy with 37" tires so I can order the gas pot with 4.30's , with the diesel I cannot so would have to upgrade at additional cost
your thoughts?
Fuel costs here are $1.10/litre ($4.18/US Gal) for gas and diesel is $4.27/US Gal.
6.0 that I had got an average on its best day of 12/mpg. Had a 200 v-10 that got about the same. loaded was about 9 mpg.
usually keep my trucks 3 year a max of 4.
up here wholesale pricing for oil filter and the two fuel filters for the 6.0 litre diesel was $141.50 including tax plus the 14 litres of oil at $3.50 - $4.00 a litre/quart . What is a v-10 filters etc worth including oil?? Half??
diesel I believe is approx $5000 more option wise
So other than the cool factor of the diesel what do you all think??
Also, what about a manual tranny with the V-10??
Want to put 6 inch lift in whatever I buy with 37" tires so I can order the gas pot with 4.30's , with the diesel I cannot so would have to upgrade at additional cost
your thoughts?
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Doesn't sound like you need a diesel. If you're buying new and don't need the capability of the oil burner, I wouldn't spend the money on it.
I'll never understand these new diesels getting such crappy mileage. My old 7.3 gets 15-19, depending on how nice I am with the throttle and whether I'm on the highway or city. And that's with a 100HP tune!! I understand that the 6.0s get a lot better mileage with custom tunes. I know nothing about the 6.4 -- you might stop by the '08 6.4 forum and see if there's any decent economy tunes to get the mileage back up where it should be.
I'll never understand these new diesels getting such crappy mileage. My old 7.3 gets 15-19, depending on how nice I am with the throttle and whether I'm on the highway or city. And that's with a 100HP tune!! I understand that the 6.0s get a lot better mileage with custom tunes. I know nothing about the 6.4 -- you might stop by the '08 6.4 forum and see if there's any decent economy tunes to get the mileage back up where it should be.
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
I'll never understand these new diesels getting such crappy mileage.
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I agree also, you dont need a deisel. Both of my trucks gets 17-20mpg all around driving. Hearing what the 6.4 gets for mpgs, seems 60-70% get bad fuel economy and the other 25% get good. I tow trailers often but nothing a V10 wouldnt do. If I were to get a new truck I would get the V-10. The deisel engine cost will refund you at selling or trade in time but the cost of maintance and upkeep will kill you. Just my .02
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I would have to agree. For the money, it would be better to go with the V10, in your situation.
Fuel economy across any engine platform (especially the PSDs) has been much argued & debated. And it will always be. There are just too many factors involved....cab style, box length, 4x2 vs. 4x4, driving conditions (city, highway, hilly, mountains, etc.), gearing, tire & rim sizes, AC on/off, the driver's himself/herself, etc.
Proof in point, original poster stated his 6.0L got 12MPG on a good day whereas I average 14.5 MPG in Denver (roughly 40% highway & 60% city) and I regularly see 17-18 MPG on the highway. My personal best was 20.1 MPG from Cheyenne to Denver...no wind, cruise control set at 70 MPH.
Originally Posted by Izzy351
I'll never understand these new diesels getting such crappy mileage. My old 7.3 gets 15-19, depending on how nice I am with the throttle and whether I'm on the highway or city. And that's with a 100HP tune!! I understand that the 6.0s get a lot better mileage with custom tunes.
Proof in point, original poster stated his 6.0L got 12MPG on a good day whereas I average 14.5 MPG in Denver (roughly 40% highway & 60% city) and I regularly see 17-18 MPG on the highway. My personal best was 20.1 MPG from Cheyenne to Denver...no wind, cruise control set at 70 MPH.
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Interestingly enough, if you look at this chart:
https://www.cvpi.com/showroom/rv_tra...ideinAug07.pdf
The V-10s are rated for heavier camper loads in most configurations, when compared to the like PSD.
An F-150 with the HEAVY DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE (Option Code 627) would also do what you need, at a decent cost savings.
https://www.cvpi.com/showroom/rv_tra...ideinAug07.pdf
The V-10s are rated for heavier camper loads in most configurations, when compared to the like PSD.
An F-150 with the HEAVY DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE (Option Code 627) would also do what you need, at a decent cost savings.
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It doesn't look like you're planning on towing heavy. Also, at $4 for a gallon of gas, it looks like you'd rather get a couple mpg better, rather than a couple mpg worse. If so, you might consider a used 2-valver rather than the new 3-valvers. When the 3-valve V10's were introduced in 2005, they came with a heavier chassis, beefier brakes, higher towing ratings, etc., as well as maybe 50 hp more. Consequently the 3-valve V10's don't seem to quite get the mileage of the older engines.
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If I was in the market for a new truck it would be a V-10. I have a 6.0 now it gets 12mpg which is what my 7.3 got.
I know a few guys with the 6.4 they say the mileage is horrible compared to the 6.0s they had. You build and price a new 08 with the 6.4 it is a extra 8-9 grand. Then with the 6.4 you have to remove the cab to do any work on them that is the scary part.
The days are long gone when diesel trucks are worth buying. You buy one because you want one and that is it.
I know a few guys with the 6.4 they say the mileage is horrible compared to the 6.0s they had. You build and price a new 08 with the 6.4 it is a extra 8-9 grand. Then with the 6.4 you have to remove the cab to do any work on them that is the scary part.
The days are long gone when diesel trucks are worth buying. You buy one because you want one and that is it.
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I will also add this.
I know a salesman at Ford dealer who just bought a King Ranch crew cab dually with the 6.4, he says every 3000 miles he changes the oil, and every other change he either changes fuel filters or they rotate the tires. The dealer which he works for does the maintance and every time its at least $200. A V-10 would be at least half of this.
Also above I said Both of my trucks gets 17-20 mpg, one is a 03 7.3 and the other is a 05 6.0.
I know a salesman at Ford dealer who just bought a King Ranch crew cab dually with the 6.4, he says every 3000 miles he changes the oil, and every other change he either changes fuel filters or they rotate the tires. The dealer which he works for does the maintance and every time its at least $200. A V-10 would be at least half of this.
Also above I said Both of my trucks gets 17-20 mpg, one is a 03 7.3 and the other is a 05 6.0.
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Originally Posted by NEWT92
I will also add this.
I know a salesman at Ford dealer who just bought a King Ranch crew cab dually with the 6.4, he says every 3000 miles he changes the oil, and every other change he either changes fuel filters or they rotate the tires. The dealer which he works for does the maintance and every time its at least $200. A V-10 would be at least half of this.
Also above I said Both of my trucks gets 17-20 mpg, one is a 03 7.3 and the other is a 05 6.0.
I know a salesman at Ford dealer who just bought a King Ranch crew cab dually with the 6.4, he says every 3000 miles he changes the oil, and every other change he either changes fuel filters or they rotate the tires. The dealer which he works for does the maintance and every time its at least $200. A V-10 would be at least half of this.
Also above I said Both of my trucks gets 17-20 mpg, one is a 03 7.3 and the other is a 05 6.0.
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Originally Posted by redford
Interestingly enough, if you look at this chart:
https://www.cvpi.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/2008/08RVslideinAug07.pdf
The V-10s are rated for heavier camper loads in most configurations, when compared to the like PSD.
An F-150 with the HEAVY DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE (Option Code 627) would also do what you need, at a decent cost savings.
https://www.cvpi.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/2008/08RVslideinAug07.pdf
The V-10s are rated for heavier camper loads in most configurations, when compared to the like PSD.
An F-150 with the HEAVY DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE (Option Code 627) would also do what you need, at a decent cost savings.
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I have a diesel because I want to tow a fifth wheel and keep the truck for a long time (oh, and the cool factor). If you are only going to keep the truck for a few years and not do any heavy towing, then the gas motor would probably be the better choice (economically). On the other hand, if you really want the diesel, you will recoupe the extra initial cost when you sell it.
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Originally Posted by elee3
I have a diesel because I want to tow a fifth wheel and keep the truck for a long time (oh, and the cool factor). If you are only going to keep the truck for a few years and not do any heavy towing, then the gas motor would probably be the better choice (economically). On the other hand, if you really want the diesel, you will recoupe the extra initial cost when you sell it.
Also, I'm not so sure a PSD engine will "last" longer than a V-10. With good maintenance, both easily last 400k miles.