Notices
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Dentsides Ford Truck
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Moser

Next Question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 17, 2007 | 11:36 PM
  #16  
Mil1ion's Avatar
Mil1ion
New User
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 0
Likes: 24
Everything on the front has to come off I'm afraid.

IIRC, It doubles as an oil slinger.

The dowel that is supposed to hold it in one place could have broken off but I have never seen one that did,.

I'll try and find a pic
 

Last edited by Mil1ion; Dec 17, 2007 at 11:45 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 11:04 AM
  #17  
mark a.'s Avatar
mark a.
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,922
Likes: 153
There really isn't anything that could go wrong with the eccentric. If it came loose the cam gear wouldn't last long because they both share the same bolt to hold them on. Did you try just putting the pickup hose from the pump into a fuel can to see if it would pump ?
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:34 PM
  #18  
Tedybear's Avatar
Tedybear
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 739
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by mark a.
There really isn't anything that could go wrong with the eccentric. If it came loose the cam gear wouldn't last long because they both share the same bolt to hold them on. Did you try just putting the pickup hose from the pump into a fuel can to see if it would pump ?
Didn't go that far with it. Due to the fact when I placed my finger over the 'in' port? There was just about zippola for suction. Even the old fuel pump (bad as it was dumping fuel into the oil due to a blown seal) had a very large amount of suction on the 'in' port. It was not until we pulled the pump out of the engine when we noticed fuel drainage into the oil system.

I talked with my better half about doing a replacement of the timing chain and gears. The cost is not that great for the gasket set and the timing set for this engine. (heck, we already planned on replacement of the waterpump...again, part cost is not that much even for a new in box one) So we will already be in the same area-code as the timing cover.

At that time I'll inspect the eccentric for excessive wear and broken parts. I know some will say "Why replace it if it's not bad?" Well...Considering the fuel pump is the factory one, with over 30 years on it? What would anyone consider the odd's to be that the timing chain/gears and waterpump have ever been changed in that 30 years? Besides I'd hate to replace the hoses, flush and re-fill...only to find the waterpump is craped...or go that far into it? And having the timing chain give out. If we are going to go that deep? Might as well go all out.

Now there is a possible issue with the 'Carter' replacement pump being defective. It would not be the first time to replace a defective part with one junk out of the box. And the other two where just visual compaired to see the difference with the pump arm. So, just to keep the peace? Bosch does manufactor a replacement pump for the engine. I'll see if I can order one in one of that brand (the photo ID from the website looks like the cam-arm more matches what we removed..the carter and other manufactor? The arm does not match up fully)

S-
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:53 PM
  #19  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 787
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Tedybear
Napa ordered in 2 pumps for us just in case their catalog was in error, advance did the same with a different manu. Each one had the cam-arm for the fuel pump slightly lower then our stock one? So the cam was not pushing the arm down enough for a full stroke. I spent 2 hours the other night at Carters website (federal mougel (sp)) And I looked at each photo of each fuel pump used in every ford V8 engine from the mid 60's to the early 80's. (talk about a fuel pump education LOL) PICTURES of fuel pumps are general pics only and may not show the correct one.The tell tale sign according to Napa? Is a set of drilled 'holes' (not sure what they are used for) in the casting itself at the rear of the pump, about 2" above the connection lines.

I also googled and fruggled every ID number off that pump--Came up goose-eggs. What is the Carter number? I MAY have cross references to Ford numbers.

So the electric pump was the only real option. I hate using it, as I would love to keep things as stock as possible--But this one has me scratchin' my head.

S-
The correct Ford fuel pump, not some Made in China crappola! > >

> > > 1973/76 F Series Truck 360/390 Fuel Pump UPDATED Ford part number: D8TZ-9350-C / The ONLY one the Ford parts catalog shows. < < <

Have NAPA cross the Ford fuel pump part number over to the brand they sell. See what number they come up with.

Did'ja know that on each sending unit there a replaceable filter screen? It's not the same one as Mil1ion posted the pic of. The Ford filter screen is black plastic with a partial mesh arrangement. If the filter screen(s) are clogged up, all the new fuel pumps in the universe won't help a bit. When those filters clog, the truck ain't going anywhere. The filter is still available from Ford and autoparts stores. The size is 3/8" in diameter.

I say again, 3/8" diameter....not 5/16"...that's the size for Pinto's and Mustang II's. If buying from Ford, all you need is the part number, but autoparts stores may sell you the wrong one, if you don't tell them the diameter.

D1AZ-9A011-A .. Filter Screen

C0AF-9276-A .. Sender Gasket

Now is the time to replace the fuel sender float. The floats are the same from 1957 thru 1979. Gas gauge no workee? The floats are made from two pieces of copper soldered together. Solder breaks down, gas seeps into float...float sinks to the bottom of the tank.

C0AZ-9202-B .. Fuel Sender Float

Available from Ford, autoparts stores.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Dec 18, 2007 at 02:44 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:06 PM
  #20  
Tedybear's Avatar
Tedybear
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 739
Likes: 1
I thought of that when we started this wing-ding. To ensure we had a clear line? I used a low pressure air line connection and blew the line out from front to back. Heard a nice set of bubbles in the rear fuel tank. Then just to be sure? I used a vacuum pump with a bowl attachment at the carb line. Hit about 5 inches of vacuum, and had all kinds of fuel flow.

S-
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:10 PM
  #21  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 787
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Tedybear
I thought of that when we started this wing-ding. To ensure we had a clear line? I used a low pressure air line connection and blew the line out from front to back. Heard a nice set of bubbles in the rear fuel tank. Then just to be sure? I used a vacuum pump with a bowl attachment at the carb line. Hit about 5 inches of vacuum, and had all kinds of fuel flow.
S-
Ford fuel pump info added to post above ^ ^ .
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:22 PM
  #22  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 787
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Mil1ion
I'm still looking for the fuel tank shield & straps but you will probably have to make them.
Midship tank: Illustration Section 90 / Page 25

Pic sez Super Cab, but that might be an printing error.

Also: Section 90 / Page 8.

I think Ford goofed in their listing of Super Cab & S/CS in these pics.

Regardless, the systems should be close to what non Supercabs and S/CS's use.

Parts catalogs aren't assembly manuals, the numbers are only shown for parts identification for us numberdummies.
Anudder = prolly similar: Section 90 / Pages 29 & 30.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Dec 18, 2007 at 02:38 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:49 PM
  #23  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 787
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Mil1ion
Here you go so you know what you are up against



Dennis...here we go again. Your parts catalog is out of date..ALL these 360/390 fuel pump part numbers have been updated and ARE no longer correct.

D0AZ-9350-D / DOTZ-9350-A / D4TZ-9350-A / D4TZ-9350-B updated to D8TZ-9350-C < < This is the same pump used on 330 U-Haul trucks.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Dec 18, 2007 at 02:56 PM.
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-4

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-9

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 02:57 PM
  #24  
Tedybear's Avatar
Tedybear
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 739
Likes: 1
Let's be honest, everything is pretty much out of date LOL. I talked with Ford local up here. They only go back to 1980. Everything else they referred to a few web sites that deal with older parts.

S-
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 03:19 PM
  #25  
Mil1ion's Avatar
Mil1ion
New User
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 0
Likes: 24
Bill, I merely posted the listing for Tedy to get an idea of what Ford ORIGINALLY listed.

I wanted him to pick which one he thinks it is

Then and ONLY then Since I have OSI parts books up until 1984 I will look for a newer part number.

Otherwise IMO it is a waste of my time to GUESS.
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 05:03 PM
  #26  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 787
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Tedybear
They only go back to 1980. Everything else they referred to a few web sites that deal with older parts. S-
That's what THEY say...in fact Ford parts catalogs go back to 1948.

Some Genuine Ford Parts are still available from Ford for the 1950's & 1960's models.

More for 1970's and much more for 1980's and 1990's models.

If you want older Ford parts all you have to do is ask about them here on FTE.

Besides the big dummy, there are other FTE'ers that can help with part numbers. and...

Before visiting the aftermarket suppliers. FTE has two Ford dealer parts department sponsors.

Both give discounts off the Ford suggested retail price to members.

> > > DIRECT FORD PARTS - Gaudin Ford Las Vegas NV / Y2KFORDPARTS - Millennium Ford Seattle WA.

Their links are on the forum main page.

FTE sponsor GREEN SALES sells Ford obsolete parts - greensalescompany.com.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Dec 18, 2007 at 05:35 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 05:46 PM
  #27  
Tedybear's Avatar
Tedybear
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 739
Likes: 1
I just got off the phone with Green Sales, (nice people btw) I told him we are after a fuel tank for the middle, fuel tank straps for the middle tank, and the fuel pump. He's going to call back tomorrow and let me know the results.

At the very least? If they have the fuel tank straps for the middle tank? Sold American! If they can beat the cost for the middle fuel tank? I'll buy from them without a second thought.

I am very honored to have gotten such response to this major pain, My better half stated the electric pump would be fine...however with my luck and time spent working with electronics? (primary job is a tech for a video arcade company) I know they love to fail at the worst possible time. And heck, the factory pump lasted 30 years! That does say something about ford's "quality" back in the day. (not sure how their quality is in recent years, I've not worked as an automotive tech in 15 years...but I love to get my hands dirty on our own cars and such)

S-
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 05:56 PM
  #28  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 787
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Tedybear
I just got off the phone with Green Sales, (nice people btw) I told him we are after a fuel tank for the middle, fuel tank straps for the middle tank, and the fuel pump. He's going to call back tomorrow and let me know the results. S-
I can list every Ford part number for your truck. Just ask.

What I do is once the part number is known, I search the web and if the parts can be found, I post the results.

I addition, I've dealt with Green Sales for almost 40 years. They are the best source of 1970's obsolete parts on the planet. All their ppl are former Ford parts counter persons. They care, too...unlike most of the Ford dealers parts help today, most of which don't know diddly-squat and could care less.

> > > 360/390 Fuel Pumps = GREEN SALES shows 10 each new Genuine Ford Parts: D8TZ-9350-C & D4TZ-9350-A.

D4TZ-9350-A is replaced by D8TZ-9350-C, so either will work on your 1975.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Dec 18, 2007 at 06:13 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 06:05 PM
  #29  
Tedybear's Avatar
Tedybear
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 739
Likes: 1
Couldn't agree more regarding dealership's lack of helpful advice. We had to retire our 92' probe GT due to a small section of rotted out frame in a real bad area to patch. Last year I spent $1200 in parts on this car. And none of it was at a dealership. I went to our local one just once with a charging problem. As soon as I mentioned the car? It was like the "Good" treatment went to "just leave with your POS...we don't want to help"

And I found one salvage yard that deals with trucks only? Knows when he thinks he's got people by the short-hairs. Sorry bud--I'm not sending your children to college this week. LOL.

S-
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 06:07 PM
  #30  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 787
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Tedybear
Couldn't agree more regarding dealership's lack of helpful advice. We had to retire our 92' probe GT due to a small section of rotted out frame in a real bad area to patch. Last year I spent $1200 in parts on this car. And none of it was at a dealership. I went to our local one just once with a charging problem. As soon as I mentioned the car? It was like the "Good" treatment went to "just leave with your POS...we don't want to help"

And I found one salvage yard that deals with trucks only? Knows when he thinks he's got people by the short-hairs. Sorry bud--I'm not sending your children to college this week. LOL.S-
Read my last post...I just added Green Sales info off their online parts locator about fuel pumps. ^^^

What's really sad is out here in La La Land, the rust free sheet metal goes to the scrapper daily.

No rust, so we have a bumper crop of primo sheet metal.

If you can't find the fuel tank, I have one local source that I know can help.

The problem is, it's here in Los Angeles.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Dec 18, 2007 at 06:21 PM.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:25 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-1
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-3
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-6
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-8
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE