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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 11:48 AM
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Will not run with MAP sensor

I have a 302 in my 93 F150, with the map sensor hooked up the truck will start run then die. If it remove the vac. line from it and keep the sensor plugged in and plug the line the truck will fire up and run and keep running. If while it's runnig i plug the map sensor back in the engine will die. I used this same sensor on the MAF 393ci that was in the truck, although i was using it as a BP sensor the truck ran great. Time for a new map sensor? any other ideas?
 
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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What computer do you have running the 302?
 
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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Sfi-sd

E7sf-12a650-c1a
 
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Are you using the truck batch injection wiring harness or the sequential injection MAF harness you were using with the 393? Is that a mustang speed density computer? I would make sure all the pinouts and wiring connections are correct.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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using the maf sequential harness. the harness worked fine on the 393 with the A9L, from the pinout it seems like there is no difference besides the lack of the MAF sensor.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 04:48 AM
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Do you have proper fuel pressure? Does the 302 have the 351 firing order? Does the engine stall only from an idle, or does it die no matter what throttle input you give it?
 
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 08:15 AM
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Fuel pressure was fine on the 393, not sure on the firing order, the pinout of the injectors is the same between the A9L and the ecu I have, the engine is from a late 80's crown vic. The engine will start pop and sputter if i feather the gas with the map all hooked up, too much throttle and it quits. And whats strange is, the map is still plugged in, just no vac input. with the engine running, and it runs just fine without it, upon hooking up the vac, it dies instanly like someone turned off the key.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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That's really strange. I wish I knew something else to try, but it sounds like you already have a pretty good grasp on what's going on. Have you tried to pull codes? It probably won't tell you anything you don't already know, but you might get lucky.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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i'm gonna try pulling codes tomorrow, unlucky me the only spare part i dont own is a map sensor.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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tried 2 maps sensors, same deal, i tested the vac and im getting around 17" at idle.. I tried unhooking the map sensor and plugging the vac line, fired up the engine and slowly applied vac to the map sensor. The idle picked up slightly around 10" then ran for a few seconds and quit.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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That's pretty odd. I wish I could think of something else to try...
 
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 06:38 AM
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i wish i could remember what wires i had to change during the maf swap. I'm gonna try hooking the maf sensor back in and trying to start it with the A9L.. If that works it's gotta be wiring..
 
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Sounds like you have a fuel problem. With the vacuum line off the computer thinks you have WOT goes full rich, when you plug the line back in it goes lean and that is not enough to keep it running. Could be the wrong tables in the computer for the injectors you have or low fuel pressure.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 07:29 AM
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Darn, I didn't even think of the injectors....what color are they? I think some of those crown vic 302's had 14 lb/hr injectors instead of the 19 lb/hr that the mustangs and trucks used.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 12:45 PM
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they are a tan off white color, defn. not yellow top, fuel pressure is fine. So ill take a shot at this, the ecu being from a mustang is giving the engine fuel as if they were 19lb injectors? found an ecu online, is there any way to decode it? E7SF-12A650-AC1C the one i have is E7SF-12A650-C1A
 

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