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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 12:22 AM
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Question Strange intermittent no start

Hey guys, my name is Steve. I've got a 1992 Ford F150 Supercab Longbed pick-up with a 351W and E40D transmission. For the past month, I have been having a strange intermittent no-start issue on my truck. This can happen at anytime. For example, on a typical day, the truck will start-up fine in the morning and then all of a sudden by afternoon or evening it will not start-it will click like if the battery was dead. So I shake the battery a few times until I get it to start and it starts up. The battery has been tested and it's fine. Alternator was replaced two years ago. Starter solenoid hasn't been replaced though. I have also tightened up the battery posts as tight as I can get them. I tried searching on the recalls/tsb section and didn't find anything related to a no-start condition. Does anyone know or aware of a tsb posted on this type of problem? Where should I start tracking the problem? Your answers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 

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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 12:38 AM
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check battery cables and ground connection and the spade connector at the starter.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 01:03 AM
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Where's the spade connector?

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check battery cables and ground connection and the spade connector at the starter.
Ok, I'll check there. Oh, where is the spade connector located?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 08:14 AM
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If its clicking it could be your starter or starter solinoid. I would say try jumping the solinoid. if the starter turns over then your solinoid is bad. (you can start your motor by doing this but i wouldnt rely on it for long you could hurt other things) you could also try tapping the starter with a hammer while someone is turning the key over. not to hard though so you dont dent the can. But I would start with the solinoid first. thats most likely your problem. there cheap and easy to replace. $10 at local auto store and save you the hassel of dealing with it going out later. especially if it hasnt been replaced.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by quicklook2
check battery cables and ground connection and the spade connector at the starter.
Is it one click or a machine gun type sound?
Sounds like you have bad battery cables if it is a machine gun type, replace both.
The relay on the fender seldom goes bad.
If you only get one click then it is more than likely the spade connector or bad battery post connection like quicklook2 said.
Could be the solenoid that is mounted on the starter but not too likely.



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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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It's one click

[QUOTE=subford]Is it one click or a machine gun type sound?
If you only get one click then it is more than likely the spade connector or bad battery post connection like quicklook2 said.
Could be the solenoid that is mounted on the starter but not too likely.


It's one click at the tap of the ignition switch. I'll search for the spade connector on the search function. Oh, how difficult is to replace? Do I have to splice any wires?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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It's one click at the tap of the ignition switch. I'll search for the spade connector on the search function. Oh, how difficult is to replace? Do I have to splice any wires?
Yes you have to cut the wire back an inch or two and crimp on a new connector.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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Umm, might want to check the battery cable a little more closely. If shaking the battery (why isn't it secured?) will 'fix' the problem, chances are you have a similar problem to one I had. Mine cost me a battery, and a starter, and a starter relay, before I finally figured it was a dead cable. The cable forks at the clamp on the battery. One goes to the starting relay (on the fender), and the other goes to the starter. Now, if you're hearing a really loud 'click' when you turn the key to start, that would be the solenoid driving the bendix into the flywheel. If that's happening, starter, solenoid, and relay are all good. The cable's burned out inside the battery clamp. Mine started having some of the same symptoms. I had NO charging issues (charging current comes through cable going to starter relay), but the starter simply wouldn't spin. CLANK when the solenoid engaged, but no rotation. I needed a new starter anyway, just not quite as soon as I got one. I cut the OE clamp off, and stuffed the two cables into a replacement clamp. Been going fine since. The cables showed no indication of heating, corrosion, or any problem at all really. Just didn't make sense to be getting power on one wire, and not on the other when they were molded into the same clamp.
 
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Starter was replaced

Originally Posted by Old_Paint
Umm, might want to check the battery cable a little more closely. If shaking the battery (why isn't it secured?) will 'fix' the problem, chances are you have a similar problem to one I had. Mine cost me a battery, and a starter, and a starter relay, before I finally figured it was a dead cable. The cable forks at the clamp on the battery. One goes to the starting relay (on the fender), and the other goes to the starter. Now, if you're hearing a really loud 'click' when you turn the key to start, that would be the solenoid driving the bendix into the flywheel. If that's happening, starter, solenoid, and relay are all good. The cable's burned out inside the battery clamp. Mine started having some of the same symptoms. I had NO charging issues (charging current comes through cable going to starter relay), but the starter simply wouldn't spin. CLANK when the solenoid engaged, but no rotation. I needed a new starter anyway, just not quite as soon as I got one. I cut the OE clamp off, and stuffed the two cables into a replacement clamp. Been going fine since. The cables showed no indication of heating, corrosion, or any problem at all really. Just didn't make sense to be getting power on one wire, and not on the other when they were molded into the same clamp.
Hey Old Paint, thanks for responding. I had the starter replaced yesterday. It's seems to be starting right away. I'll see how it goes, if it starts doing giving me intermittent no start again. I'll look at your troubleshooting method. Thanks. Steve.
 
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