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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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I'm a little skeptical as well. Yeah it has less moving parts. . . but I don't think its possible to make 3000 ftlbs of torque at 150 MPG. . . . no way. Maybe in a focus only using 300 lbs of torque you can get that kind of mileage. . . but for guys like us that like power and lots of it. . . you can bet that the fuel tank will get empty pretty quick. However if it has anywhere near that kind of power. . . that would be pretty incredible.
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PS. . . I bet it doesn't sound like no PSD! maybe I just fear change but I like my leaded fuel and my piston engines.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 04:32 PM
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this myt engine is a joke. this crackpot has been pushing it for over 8 years now, yet it is still in experimental run on compressed air stages only.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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If that engine is putting out 800-3000ft/lbs of torque, it would need a much bigger output shaft than what shows on the video. That little shaft won't hold that much torque! Didn't see any mention of a reduction gearbox which would help.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_99V10
It was actually overrated and under powered. Rotaries are pretty sick though.


As far as the MYT engine... I saw this motor years ago, and it really hasn't gotten any farther...
Wankel engines have NO torque to speak of... you have to rev the snot out of 'em to get 'em to go..
 
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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I seen a thing on an engine somewhat like this a few years back. I think it is on the same concept and the Quaristurbine engine. Check out this link for a brief description of the operation. Lee

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/quasiturbine1.htm
 
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 07:54 PM
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Sounds kinda like the 200 mpg carb we heard about in the 70's. But even if he could claim half those MPG's in a pickup, and real world economy was half of that, he'd still be on to something.

Sounds like they've been playing with this quasiturbine stuff for a while now. If they think they've got it ready sign me up for a test idiot. I'd like to see what they could do.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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I see enormous wear issues with both engines unless they make the moving parts out of some very expensive, hard, and hard to machine parts.
Not that it cannot be done, but the bean counters might get in the way.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Thats where you are wrong on this, emissions don't make any difference whatsoever. I have gotten into this many, many times, it's not actually about what comes out the tailpipe and never really has been. Proof of that was once again demonstrated when Toyota developed a gas engine that would pass easily 2012 emission standards with no egr valve or cat, and got 50+mpg, but when they tried to install a egr or cat fuel economy dropped in half and emissions actually ended up higher. So they tried to get it past epa and they said not without the mandated emissions equipment, even when that equipment makes it pollute more.
This thing be the same way they will require a dpf on it and it will kill this engine totally and completely.
you are wrong. If this toyota could meet the emission standards without egr etc. then it would recieve epa approval and CARB approval. The law does not require the devices it only requires that if a system cannot meet the emission standards then it must be modified to meets these standards and egr's etc. were the easiest quick fix for most manufacturers.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 01:53 PM
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bfloyd4445
you are wrong. If this toyota could meet the emission standards without egr etc. then it would recieve epa approval and CARB approval. The law does not require the devices it only requires that if a system cannot meet the emission standards then it must be modified to meets these standards and egr's etc. were the easiest quick fix for most manufacturers.
Wrong you have no idea about how emissions laws work (I had to know being I was certified to test vehicles and repair them to pass emissions) the federal law mandated what equipment they had to run to meet the emissions standards. EGR was determined by some people in a lab as the best way to meet certian emissions standards just like Catalytic converters. YOu doubt this I am sure but take a look at something much, much more recent and that is diesel particulate filters. There was no such thing just a few years ago the EPA told the engine manufacturers that they had to invent, perfect and have not only in production but in USE by Sept 2006 (it was pushed back because NO ONE could get them to work that fast) they then mandated the reduction in sulfur in diesel fuel and the claim is that is needed for the DPF to survive, now how the heck did epa know 8yrs BEFORE DPF's were even on the drawing board that they would need to have sulfur reduced to a set amount of 15PPM?
Fact is EPA mandates equipment AND tailpipe emissions and the automotive world has to figure out how to make it work. CARB is worse. It's been proven time and time again that people can build and tune a car that puts out less emissions across the board and CA will fail it on the emissions test because it doesn't have the required equipment as specified by law irregardless of the fact that it is now cleaner then the law requires.
it took the combined lobbying power of both ford and toyota to get EPA to accept direct injected turbo charged gas engines without the required emissions equipment that was mandated back in the 70s and is STILL required by law to be on all vehicles currently manufactered for sale and use in this country (actually do a google search on the emissions laws and learn)
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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Are we ready for round#4
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by monsterbaby
Wrong you have no idea about how emissions laws work (I had to know being I was certified to test vehicles and repair them to pass emissions) the federal law mandated what equipment they had to run to meet the emissions standards. EGR was determined by some people in a lab as the best way to meet certian emissions standards just like Catalytic converters. YOu doubt this I am sure but take a look at something much, much more recent and that is diesel particulate filters. There was no such thing just a few years ago the EPA told the engine manufacturers that they had to invent, perfect and have not only in production but in USE by Sept 2006 (it was pushed back because NO ONE could get them to work that fast) they then mandated the reduction in sulfur in diesel fuel and the claim is that is needed for the DPF to survive, now how the heck did epa know 8yrs BEFORE DPF's were even on the drawing board that they would need to have sulfur reduced to a set amount of 15PPM?
Fact is EPA mandates equipment AND tailpipe emissions and the automotive world has to figure out how to make it work. CARB is worse. It's been proven time and time again that people can build and tune a car that puts out less emissions across the board and CA will fail it on the emissions test because it doesn't have the required equipment as specified by law irregardless of the fact that it is now cleaner then the law requires.
it took the combined lobbying power of both ford and toyota to get EPA to accept direct injected turbo charged gas engines without the required emissions equipment that was mandated back in the 70s and is STILL required by law to be on all vehicles currently manufactered for sale and use in this country (actually do a google search on the emissions laws and learn)
Really, if EGR is mandated, then how come the GMC Vortec 4200 engine does not have one? The only thing the EPA cares about is that if it meets emissions requirements.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 04:28 PM
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actually the problem with the direct injected turbo gasser wasn't really the egr as it actually does have one of those (I mispoke on that) it's the catalytic convertor, the back pressure caused by it causes issues for whatever reason yet the engine is clean enough to meet not only current but 2012 and beyond emission output requirments.

And for you to think that EGR valves are not required by EPA would you like to explain why diesel engine manufactures are having to petition the EPA to allow them to turn off the egr system in condition that woudl cause massive destructive corrosion to the engines.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._7/ai_99232234
Even though I mispoke on the above post EGR VALVES ARE MANDATED BY THE EPA and they don't give a rip about what comes out he tail pipe.

I just wish people would actually look at the laws before jumping up and down how the epa is doing so much wonderful great stuff. By law EPA can NOT look at what the extraneous affects of it's regulations are only what comes out the tail pipe so even though a regulation decreases the amount out of a tail pipe it can and in a lot of cases actually INCREASES total pollution because of reduced efficiency causing increased use of fossil fuels and the associate infrastructure such as super tankers refineries, and trucks to haul it.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Really, if EGR is mandated, then how come the GMC Vortec 4200 engine does not have one? The only thing the EPA cares about is that if it meets emissions requirements.

Oh and also just for you information the vortec 4200 DOES have an egr, just not a specific valves. They use electronically controlled valve timing to set the overlap so that a calculated amount of exhaust gas is pulled back into the cylinder on the intake stroke instead of running it through a seperate egr valve. This technology had to be approved by EPA to show that they could meet the egr requirement without a seperate valve.

So there is your answer about how it is mandated and what you THINK is an engien without one.

Sorry epa DOES mandate equipment irrespective of what comes out the tailpipe
 
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Old Sep 10, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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**** yeah Monster baby!(and everyone else) Now we need to start a war with those oil *******s I'm gonna begin my fight by burnin bio. **** THE EPA they are a bunch of *******ES.
 
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