What is a carriers permit ? Like a mail carrier ?

 

He used to have a nice shiny 38 strapped to his waist.

 

This tells me you are making erroneous assumptions about me and anyone that has a CCW permit, which I do not have...

Why not have a civil debate about employees using their company computer for playtime, rather than resorting to inflamatory remarks like this ?

 

I'm two weeks ahead of my schedual because even while messing around, i still work 3 times faster than the guy on first shift. I've been designing, and programming parts for 7 years, and it's not hard to understand that I can design the parts way faster than a machine can run them.

 

That is a admirable feat, kudos to you for your talent. But lets look at this in a business sense for a moment..

This still points to mismanagement. If a employee is so effecient at their tasks they can stay two weeks ahead of the person providing them their goods to work with (whether it be software design, filling egg crates, etc) which allows the speedy worker to go in to a non-productive mode, there is a kink in the chain...

That meaning ,you are being under uitilized for your talents.

 

What it means to me is that I'd be asking for a two-week vacation and go fishing while my slower peers try to catch up.....

 

Nope, can't post from work!!! No Internet up there!!

 

Nope sorry guys,


Which means why ...

We call for tech assistance for your PC, a person in India answers the phone..

We make a simple phone request asking why our phone bill, invoice, tax bill on and on, is incorrect, and it takes months to get it straightened out. Why. ?? Too many people not taking the duties they are being paid to do, serious enough..

We get letters from our companies human resource manager every week in this country, stating our company is downsizing and sending its products to China to be built, please turn in your keys and would the last one out the door, turn off the lights....

I'll stop here, if your awake yet you get my jest...

Bottom line is I have been around for 55 years to date. In those years, I have yet to see any industry or company (except the govt) that starts up and operates a company that will employ people, just so they can give people jobs. Companies are started and run, to make a profit for its owners... $$$$$$...

Lets say a company employs 500 people. They pay each employee $10.00 a hour. Each employee spend 4 hours of their 40 hour work week, at their office PC playing on it, rather than conducting business on it. ...

The company just paid out $5000.00 that week for non -production. Take that $5000.00 x another 35% overhead /emloyee operational costs and you have $7250.00 a week lost from that companies bottom line. ..

$7250.00 x 48 weeks a year = $348,000 lost for that company in one year. And this is just using $10.00 a hour wage, which is LOW for americans in office positions . This is just considering 4 hours a week per employee lost on them having PC fun, not including the smoke breaks, chat sessions, etc....

Then we Americans whine the loudest when our employer lays us off and takes our jobs overseas. JMO EOT for me,

Happy Thanksgiving ALL !!!

 

I was giving you an idea what my exboss was all about, not you. I think many people are hired for there knowledge and or skills. Companies (IMO)
tend to look the other way, b/c these people are hard to find. I remember reading an article once where it was stated. Companies automatically build in a loss factor, due to human behavior. In reality, the co. is not losing, you are.
Via your rate of pay. Not everyone has a demanding work load, but are essential to their job.

 

I worked with an old guy once early in my Engineering career who told me of when he first started working for the railroad (as a draftsman) that when the 7:00 bell rang, you had better have a pen in your hand drafting. And you drafted until the coffee bell rang. Same thing for lunch and end of day. You didn't leave your table for bathroom breaks, smokes, coffee, shoot the bull, phone calls, etc. until the bell rang or you got permission from the boss. Imagine a company tried something like that today?

I'm not saying that scenario is/was good but like every other aspect of our modern world, there is little to no discipline left. Find me a profession where the standards haven't been lowered when compared to 20-50 years ago. Hell, in some professions, being a slacker is admired and encouraged. And don't even get me started about how the military has become since I first entered it.

If people goof off at work, it is because it is allowed or tolerated. If anyone were to ever take a serious look at how much most of us can get done in a day when factoring in all the modern technology and factoring out all the lost time in a day, half of us would be out of a job. It wouldn't be pretty. Just a fact of life now.

 

And you accuse someone else here of making asumptions. I have over 10 years of experience in my field. ( not green by any means ) and I worked my a** off to get where I am now. So if I have the "benefit" of internet and I don't effect my work or effect others I work with/for, what's your beef?

More asumptions. Welcome to the computer age. ( making this comment as a generalized statement and NOT directed to you )

You tell me.

 

I do a lot of posting at work, and other personal things too. I usually have at least four computers in front of me (at least half of them doing work at any one time), plus my personal laptop for things like my personal email. My employer is quite lenient about things like internet usage - I'm on salary and they don't really care how much or how little time I spend at work (or at home logged in at work), as long as I get my job done. It's my immediate manager's job to make sure the company is getting their money's worth out of me, and that is regardless of how long it takes me, where I'm at when I do it, or what else I do at the same time. We do have a rough requirement that we should be spending ~60 hours per week on work, but nobody is counting. The only real external requirements I have to meet are that I deliver things to others who are dependant on them on time so they are not blocked by a lack of progress on my part, and that I deliver what I say I will when I say I will - i.e. meet the schedule that I have created and have committed to. And I'm not abnormal, this is pretty much the norm for all of us. That being said, the reason we get this leeway is because is is rarely, if ever, abused. In my ~10 years at this company over the past 12 years (2 stints here - left and came back) I know of just one person who was (truly) canned for lack of productivity.

So before you decide that anyone who does anything other than work related things when they're at work is stealing from the company, you need to understand the specific situation.

 

Where am I assuming anything ? I am not assuming, I know what non-productivity does to a companies bottom line, read my reply again. .. And take note I did not use the word you in it...

Work ethics in America have been declining for decades now. Every employees work situation is different. I did not claim on here that every employee is bad for using the company PC for goofing off, I gave a simple example of what the cash flow numbers look like, when employees do goof off on the company PC. ...

To me, here is my definition of a Company Goofoff = A employee that while on their employees property, while using their employers equipment, conducts activities that do not produce a profit, deemable service or otherwise enhances the companies business image or financial well being..


I'll repeat myself for you, but will expand on this one some. It is up to the manager/supervisor over the worker, to set and maintain the company work standards....

If the manager has a employee that is staying two weeks ahead of the other workers, and that makes the fast employee have idle hands to play on the company PC too long of a time, that employee is being under-utilized ,and the supervisor is not doing their job effectively...

So, you have worked your butt off for a 10 whole years now to get where you are at in your company ? So, now you think you deserve the gravy train eh ? So, as a senior worker you do not think you have a responsibility of maintaining a image for the company ? ...

What kind of image do you think you are projecting to the new employees coming in to your company ? . ...

Oh, wait dont answer that one, they will be thinking, " Man, if I work my butt of for ten whole years, then I can be on the gravy train like that guy is " .....

It appears that you have disected my replies here fairly well, did you see where I asked the one poster how did he think that he did not have a stake in the company he works for ? ...

Did you see anyone answer my question when I asked them what job they worked here in America, that I didnt have a stake it ?

You made this personal when you quoted me with a you. Keep the replies directed to the opinions , like where I put jmo after my post. This way I can keep my replies from being personal to you, and more at your opinion. Have a nice holiday.

 

I know one thing about working for someone.

The usual happy and productive employee is the one without the Boss looking over that person's shoulder like hawk.

 

right on....because the boss spends their time looking over those shoulders that need looking over.