No MAF sensor
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No MAF sensor
This evening while attempting to install my new S&B intake, I realized my '05 F-250 (6.0L) has no MAF sensor. I called S&B and after checking with Ford, they informed me that what I "thought" was a wierd looking MAF was in fact a temperature sensor. Supposedly this is rare.
Anyone know why this is with my truck?
Anyone know why this is with my truck?
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I bought the truck brand new in July, 2005. The manufacture date on the door is 11/04. I gave S&B my VIN and the manufacture date and after they did some research, that's when they called back with the information.
Tomorrow morning they are making me a new tube (between air box and turbo) without an MAF port. They are also going to drill a hole for this temperature sensor and ship it out Next Day Air UPS.
Tomorrow morning they are making me a new tube (between air box and turbo) without an MAF port. They are also going to drill a hole for this temperature sensor and ship it out Next Day Air UPS.
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Originally Posted by lawnspecialties
This evening while attempting to install my new S&B intake, I realized my '05 F-250 (6.0L) has no MAF sensor. I called S&B and after checking with Ford, they informed me that what I "thought" was a wierd looking MAF was in fact a temperature sensor. Supposedly this is rare.
Anyone know why this is with my truck?
Anyone know why this is with my truck?
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I have seen a few, if memory serves me correct, mostly on heavier trucks-F-350 with DRW. Most aftermarket intakes that i've installed come with an adaptor to facilitate the temp sensor, so I don't think they are to far out of the ordinary. Never had trouble with am intakes other than warrenty gripes, so do not get rid of the factory setup. Always pop for the better filter if it is an option. S&B 8 ply filters are pretty good.
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Originally Posted by blackhat620
On the 6.0 the MAF & IAT1 are combined as one unit. Install this or your truck will not run properly. Just an FYI your truck may not run properly anyhow with an A/M air intake. The A/M air intakes are notorious for messing up the MAF/IAT1 and MAP sensors
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Originally Posted by DSMMH
This is the reason I went with the JOBE inatke. I got a recalibrated Ford MAF sensor with the intake kit. According to Reagan Jobe this eliminates MAF problems with the OEM MAF. I have not popped any codes or had any problems with JOBE recalibrated MAF sensor.
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www.jobeperformance.com/wst_page6.html
The other issue that concerns me about the Jobe design is the battery in the air box. Jobe states that battery vapors are bad for the engine and turbo, so they use Optima batteries. Optima batteries use glass mat technology to contain the electrolyte, but the battery is still vented because it, like all batteries, off gas acid vapors. Optima batteries will not spill liquid electrolyte but Jobe has not reduced the off gassing of a battery by switching to Optima batteries.
www.optimabatteries.com/optima_edge/safety.php
Hopefully all continues to work out well for you and the use of the A/M air intake.
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Originally Posted by blackhat620
According to the Jobe website their filter kits use K&N oil gauze units, and the MAF sensor is relocated. This may or may not help with your MAF sensor, problem is the MAF readings are also compared to the MAP sensor readings, which if Jobe changed the MAF sensor output can effect the PCM strategy. Also nothing has been done to address the MAP sensor problems and the K&N filter units have proven to be the most problematic for the 6.0 out of all the A/M air intakes on the market.
www.jobeperformance.com/wst_page6.html
The other issue that concerns me about the Jobe design is the battery in the air box. Jobe states that battery vapors are bad for the engine and turbo, so they use Optima batteries. Optima batteries use glass mat technology to contain the electrolyte, but the battery is still vented because it, like all batteries, off gas acid vapors. Optima batteries will not spill liquid electrolyte but Jobe has not reduced the off gassing of a battery by switching to Optima batteries.
www.optimabatteries.com/optima_edge/safety.php
Hopefully all continues to work out well for you and the use of the A/M air intake.
www.jobeperformance.com/wst_page6.html
The other issue that concerns me about the Jobe design is the battery in the air box. Jobe states that battery vapors are bad for the engine and turbo, so they use Optima batteries. Optima batteries use glass mat technology to contain the electrolyte, but the battery is still vented because it, like all batteries, off gas acid vapors. Optima batteries will not spill liquid electrolyte but Jobe has not reduced the off gassing of a battery by switching to Optima batteries.
www.optimabatteries.com/optima_edge/safety.php
Hopefully all continues to work out well for you and the use of the A/M air intake.
The Jobe MAF re-location is not much. Maybe a couple of inches closer to the filter then the turbine. Not sure. I need to look. Also I don't know how Reagan could change the MAF logic unless he changed the airflow sensors. I believe the MAF is a sealed unit. I asked what he did to the MAF and he said it was proprietary. I assume he did something. Why would he include another MAF in the kit? I have to look at the MAF part numbers to see if they are the same or different.
Concerning the OPTIMA battery. There is no liquid residue on the OPTIMA like I saw on the OEM lead-acid. I'm sure the OPTIMA vents a vapor but apparently not nearly as much as the lead-acid when it bubbles while charging. And I don't believe that small amount of vapor does any more damage then EGR does to the engine.
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Just an update on my situation.
I chickened out on the intake install today. The new "custom" tube should arrive this morning but we're also pulling the travel trailer to the beach this afternoon. I just don't feel confident enough to install the new intake and then it's very first drive is a 400 mile round-trip pulling the camper. I've already put the stock unit back in place and I'll put the S&B in next week. I'd rather find any unforeseen problems near home than out on I-95.
I chickened out on the intake install today. The new "custom" tube should arrive this morning but we're also pulling the travel trailer to the beach this afternoon. I just don't feel confident enough to install the new intake and then it's very first drive is a 400 mile round-trip pulling the camper. I've already put the stock unit back in place and I'll put the S&B in next week. I'd rather find any unforeseen problems near home than out on I-95.
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Here are my comments:
I have a similar truck. It is normal. Some 2005 PSD's didn't come with a MAF...only a temp sensor in the intake (I think we are the lucky ones).
I have an A/M intake, an AFE stage2 with PG7 media. The lack of MAF is common enough that my intake kit came with a rubber grommet adapter for the temp sensor instead of a MAF.
I've never had any code problems or CEL with my intake. My inlet stays nice and clean with my PG7 media. I'm very happy and satisfied with the AFE A/M intake kit after 25k miles.
I have a similar truck. It is normal. Some 2005 PSD's didn't come with a MAF...only a temp sensor in the intake (I think we are the lucky ones).
I have an A/M intake, an AFE stage2 with PG7 media. The lack of MAF is common enough that my intake kit came with a rubber grommet adapter for the temp sensor instead of a MAF.
I've never had any code problems or CEL with my intake. My inlet stays nice and clean with my PG7 media. I'm very happy and satisfied with the AFE A/M intake kit after 25k miles.
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Originally Posted by pstrang
Here are my comments:
I have a similar truck. It is normal. Some 2005 PSD's didn't come with a MAF...only a temp sensor in the intake (I think we are the lucky ones).
I have an A/M intake, an AFE stage2 with PG7 media. The lack of MAF is common enough that my intake kit came with a rubber grommet adapter for the temp sensor instead of a MAF.
I've never had any code problems or CEL with my intake. My inlet stays nice and clean with my PG7 media. I'm very happy and satisfied with the AFE A/M intake kit after 25k miles.
I have a similar truck. It is normal. Some 2005 PSD's didn't come with a MAF...only a temp sensor in the intake (I think we are the lucky ones).
I have an A/M intake, an AFE stage2 with PG7 media. The lack of MAF is common enough that my intake kit came with a rubber grommet adapter for the temp sensor instead of a MAF.
I've never had any code problems or CEL with my intake. My inlet stays nice and clean with my PG7 media. I'm very happy and satisfied with the AFE A/M intake kit after 25k miles.
S&B actually sent me a piece to cap off the MAF hole on the tube. They said they were going to make me a new tube but sent this cap instead. That will work fine but now I have to drill a hole in the tube for the temp. sensor. Why didn't they just put a hole in this cap for the sensor? I like this product but am not thrilled over the idea of having to drill a hole into a brand new piece I just paid almost $300 for.
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Yea, I'm sure that'll work. But you'll need that rubber grommet from the stock intake for the temp sensor into the S&B. Careful not to drill the hole too big.
Sounds like S&B didn't do a comprehensive engineering job on that unit.
Sounds like S&B didn't do a comprehensive engineering job on that unit.
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