looking into buying a 302 i found in the nifty thrickel.... tell ya the story about it later. just need to know if there's a difference on the back of the cam between automatic and manual transmissions. this one was built to go with a five speed manual and i've got a c6. should bolt up right?

 

The cam has nothing to do with how it bolts up. If it was a small block before it will bolt up. You may have to swap some parts though[flex/flywheel, block plate etc]

 

Maybe he means the back of the crank. No difference between manual and auto. Other than if the motor had a manual transmission behind it, you'll need to remove the pilot bearing/bushing before bolting up an auto.

 

He is probably referring to the LSA of the cams. I'd say that all the 302's had identical cams, though... BUT don't quote me on this.

 

Not hardly. Ford used 4 different roller cams in the 302's, no telling how many flat tappet grinds were used fro 68 to 91 (last year for a flat tappet cam in a 5.0 in anything)

 

no i was referring to the crank.. i just realized i was a moron yesterday before i came back to check on my responses.

so what's a pilot bearing and i need to pull it off before i bolt up my c6?

ps.... read the sig.. i'm a chick, hence the moronic mistake of saying cam....

 

The pilot bearing or bushing (one of the two are used here) is pressed into the center of the crank to support a manual transmission's input shaft. The recess that the bearing/bushing fits into is used for the same purpose with the automatic transmission's torque converter, these have a short snout that's about 1-1/2" in diameter protruding off the front side, this protrusion fits into that recess. If your motor had a manual transmission behind it, chances are the bearing/bushing is still in the crank, in that recess. You can remove it by packing the hole in the center with bar soap, pack it full as you can, then use a wood dowel as close to the diameter of the hole as you can and start it in partway, then give it a sharp whack. This will compress the soap and (hopefully) drive the bushing/bearing out. And don't sweat the mistaken terms, no one's perfect.

 

I meant for the same year model. I know they didn't use the same grind since the dawn of the 302 until the fall of the 302, lol. I don't know why I was thinking he would have the same year model engine, though. Maybe I WASN'T thinking...

I just got done converting a 1977 318ci Dodge Powerwagon with a 4-speed with bulldog to a 360ci. The 360 came out of a big RV with 50,000 miles. 318ci is balanced differently than the 360ci. Internally balanced vs. externally balanced. So, I swapped the weights on the flywheel of the 318 to the 360's flywheel in their appropiate places. Getting the damn housing and block to bolt up was a bitch . That 4-speed with low/granny's output shaft was a bitch to line up with the pilot bearing.

Anyways, at least you are doing an automatic. It should all fall right in place.

 

there is no difference on the back of the cams.....
the motor will bolt up to a C6 just make sure you remove the pilot bearing out of the end of the crank and you have to use the strater from the automatic.

 

I don't know what size bolts are used in Dodges, but with a Ford, you can take 4 long small block head bolts (the early ones with the straight shank), cut the heads off, chamfer the cut ends and use these, screwed in the bellhousing bolt holes in the block as alignment dowels. Line up all 4 (2 per side) in the matching bellhosuing holes, and slide the bellhousing right onto the motor. Makes it a one man job.

 

i haven't got the casting number so i dont know what year the new 302 is.

it was rebuilt in 99 for a mustang restoration project. have all the receipts from the machine work from a reputable shop. mr mustang club drove the car two days and wrecked it. the piston heads are still shiny brand new and you can still read the word front on the top clear as a bell. there's still overspray inside the exhaust ports from it being painted. didn't go far enough to burn it out. the plugs don't look like they've ever been fired except for two of them that barely look used at all on different sides of the block. turning the engine by hand oil came out the pressure sending unit hole on the side and it looked brand spanking new. he sold the motor to the current owner in 01 and kept it in his shop until then all sealed up. this guy's had it inside his shop all sealed up for his mustang project that he's not completing now due to his 16 yr old twins needing a car. hence the reason the motor, tranny, and car are being sold all seperately. he, and the original owner intended to put that 5 spd manual behind it. i'm going to put it in front of my existing c6.

so i'm gathering i need to pull that pilot bearing/bushing and that it's not going to be easy...

great...

and again icewoman... i'm not a HE

i really appreciate all the help guys