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Originally Posted by fonefiddy
I disagree. Ford/Nav have produced millions of great vehicles. All at a very profitable curve for both companies.
Just because Ford decides it needs to re-tune Nav's fuel systems, to keep up with the Jone's. Doesn't mean it's Nav's fault.
The newer EGR/DPF Diesel Engines are all having problems. Dura Maxx's have been known to eat very expensive Inj's also. Cummins is having problems meeting the EPA requirements and keeping it's advertised HP/TQ numbers.
Only time will tell how Fords (Rover) diesel engine will do. Hopefully all will be well.
Just because Ford decides it needs to re-tune Nav's fuel systems, to keep up with the Jone's. Doesn't mean it's Nav's fault.
The newer EGR/DPF Diesel Engines are all having problems. Dura Maxx's have been known to eat very expensive Inj's also. Cummins is having problems meeting the EPA requirements and keeping it's advertised HP/TQ numbers.
Only time will tell how Fords (Rover) diesel engine will do. Hopefully all will be well.
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The probs with the 6.0 were faulty injs, nd tuning that Ford used. Nav saw less than 10% failure with the engines they installed in their trucks.
So "all these new 6.4's blow flames"???? I've heard of 3.
As I stated, all of the big three are having growing pains dealing with the new emissions policies.
Do You really think it'll be any different for Ford, building an in house diesel? If anything, it'll prolly be worse. At first. The only saving grace they'll have, is access to all of Rovers engineers/technology. Since Ford has no recent experiance building an EPA compliant diesel engine.
So "all these new 6.4's blow flames"???? I've heard of 3.
As I stated, all of the big three are having growing pains dealing with the new emissions policies.
Do You really think it'll be any different for Ford, building an in house diesel? If anything, it'll prolly be worse. At first. The only saving grace they'll have, is access to all of Rovers engineers/technology. Since Ford has no recent experiance building an EPA compliant diesel engine.
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Originally Posted by Big Bad
Ford is developing 4.4L V8 "Lion" and 6.7L V8 "Scorpion" diesels for the F-Series. The engines employ tech developed in Ford's European joint venture with Peugeot, stuff Navistar can only dream of.
The engines will be assembled in Chihuahua, Mexico. The 6.7 makes 400 hp @ 3,600 rpm and 700 lb.-ft. @ 1,600 rpm.
The engines will be assembled in Chihuahua, Mexico. The 6.7 makes 400 hp @ 3,600 rpm and 700 lb.-ft. @ 1,600 rpm.
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From: Marion, VA
Originally Posted by fonefiddy
The probs with the 6.0 were faulty injs, nd tuning that Ford used. Nav saw less than 10% failure with the engines they installed in their trucks.
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Originally Posted by bookem15
I would just like someone to say when the f150 is going to have the diesel as I really want to stay with the 150 but do not want to wait another year for it. I saved up all my pennies to pay cash for this truck and I only want to buy what I want as this is the last time I get a brand new truck. If the scorpion theory is correct maybe worth waiting for.
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Originally Posted by fonefiddy
The probs with the 6.0 were faulty injs, nd tuning that Ford used. Nav saw less than 10% failure with the engines they installed in their trucks.
So "all these new 6.4's blow flames"???? I've heard of 3.
As I stated, all of the big three are having growing pains dealing with the new emissions policies.
Do You really think it'll be any different for Ford, building an in house diesel? If anything, it'll prolly be worse. At first. The only saving grace they'll have, is access to all of Rovers engineers/technology. Since Ford has no recent experiance building an EPA compliant diesel engine.
So "all these new 6.4's blow flames"???? I've heard of 3.
As I stated, all of the big three are having growing pains dealing with the new emissions policies.
Do You really think it'll be any different for Ford, building an in house diesel? If anything, it'll prolly be worse. At first. The only saving grace they'll have, is access to all of Rovers engineers/technology. Since Ford has no recent experiance building an EPA compliant diesel engine.
trust me there were alot more than three because ford actually stopped building trucks with the 6.4 in it untill the problem was fixed. it needed either a reprogram or new software to stop the problem. but they stopped building the truck for like a month.
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Cummins is owned by ford but ford has a contract with chrysler that only dodge diesels can have the cummins in them
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Just because a company has some Cummins stock doesn't mean they own Cummins. Ford isn't even represented on the Board of Directors.
Cummins.com > About Cummins > Board of Directors
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Just because a company has some Cummins stock doesn't mean they own Cummins. Ford isn't even represented on the Board of Directors.
Cummins.com > About Cummins > Board of Directors
Cummins.com > About Cummins > Board of Directors
FORD DOES NOT OWN CUMMINS. That has got to be one of the worst urban(or suburban, or even rural) legends there ever was. I actually thought it died a peaceful death a long time ago. Oh well.
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