Help I.D. Transmission
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Help I.D. Transmission
Okay if anyone can help me identify this tranny, it'd be extremely appreciated.
All details I know of are provided here:
First of all, it is a 3-speed (non-overdrive) on the back of my 292 Y-block. Its got the 9-bolt top cover, side shift, and 4 bolts mounting it to the bellhousing.
Here's two pictures:
(Note: The fact that my truck is a '64 F100 4x2 doesn't matter because I know that the engine/transmission was swapped in. The truck originally had a straight-6. So I don't know what the Y-block was swapped out of. I know that the casting # on the block is C2AE, but I suspect that the transmission was swapped for another too. Arrgh!! ^_^)
Thanks for any help.
All details I know of are provided here:
First of all, it is a 3-speed (non-overdrive) on the back of my 292 Y-block. Its got the 9-bolt top cover, side shift, and 4 bolts mounting it to the bellhousing.
Here's two pictures:
(Note: The fact that my truck is a '64 F100 4x2 doesn't matter because I know that the engine/transmission was swapped in. The truck originally had a straight-6. So I don't know what the Y-block was swapped out of. I know that the casting # on the block is C2AE, but I suspect that the transmission was swapped for another too. Arrgh!! ^_^)
Thanks for any help.
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I think you're right, now that I've done some research... but since I need to replace it anyways (its really gone), do you think it would be better to get a 4 speed or stick with the original 3 speed?
Also, do any toploaders made have overdrive?
Also, do any toploaders made have overdrive?
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Originally Posted by matt2491
I didn't know they had Toploaders in pre-'65 trucks..?
Plus, do toploaders bolt onto the back of Y-blocks?
Plus, do toploaders bolt onto the back of Y-blocks?
3 speed Top Loader: Ford 3.03 fully syncro 3 speed manual first offered on F100/250's in 1963 with either a 223 or a 292. The trans was used thru the 1990's, and most parts are readily available from Ford, NAPA and other parts sources. There's no 3 speed top loader overdrives, but Ford also offered a Warner T-85 3 speed overdrive...they're hard to find today.
Note: 1963/64 F100/250's with a 292 also offered the Warner T-89 Medium Duty 3 speed as an option. This was the only transmission available on the 262 I-6.
If you contemplate changing transmissions from one type to another, you'll also have to change the driveshaft, and make other modifications. What shape will the other trans be in, better or worse?
What you really need to do, is find out what's wrong with your transmission.
Here's what I know you'll need: Gasket set, small parts kit (snap rings, shims, etc), one 1st gear syncro blocker ring, two 2nd/3rd syncro blocker rings, syncro shoes, front seal, extension housing seal and bushing, needle bearings for the input and countershaft, front and rear bearings.
Depending on where you buy these parts, the total price for all this should be between $175.00-$200.00.
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Alright, I've decided that I want to get another Toploader, except a 4 speed. Except nearly all Toploaders I've seen for sale so far have an 8-hole pattern for bolting to the bellhousing.
I have 4 holes, like in this diagram:
This is a 4 speed Toploader, yet it also (like my truck) only has the 4-hole pattern...
My question is, will an 8-hole Toploader be able to bolt onto my bellhousing via the 4 holes that line up? (Do the inner ones line up?)
Or do I need to find a Toploader as shown above?
I have 4 holes, like in this diagram:
This is a 4 speed Toploader, yet it also (like my truck) only has the 4-hole pattern...
My question is, will an 8-hole Toploader be able to bolt onto my bellhousing via the 4 holes that line up? (Do the inner ones line up?)
Or do I need to find a Toploader as shown above?
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Ford never offered a 4 speed top loader on a Y block.
Ford 4 speed top loader introduced in 1964 on 390's and 427's. It replaced the Borg-Warner T-10. T-10's weren't used on Y blocks either.
Top loaders were used with the following V8's: 289/302/351W/351C/352/390/410/427/428/429.
Top loaders were used in cars only.
They were not installed in F Series trucks, Econolines or Bronco's.
No Ford passenger car or T-Bird with a Y block engine ever offered a 4 speed of any type.
Ford 4 speed top loader introduced in 1964 on 390's and 427's. It replaced the Borg-Warner T-10. T-10's weren't used on Y blocks either.
Top loaders were used with the following V8's: 289/302/351W/351C/352/390/410/427/428/429.
Top loaders were used in cars only.
They were not installed in F Series trucks, Econolines or Bronco's.
No Ford passenger car or T-Bird with a Y block engine ever offered a 4 speed of any type.
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So you're saying that a 4-speed Toploader WON'T bolt onto a Y-block?
This 4-speed's hole pattern looks identical to my 3-speed's...
I've also confirmed that my 3-speed IS a Toploader, thanks to the tag which read, "HEF-AC 013301"
This 4-speed's hole pattern looks identical to my 3-speed's...
I've also confirmed that my 3-speed IS a Toploader, thanks to the tag which read, "HEF-AC 013301"
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Originally Posted by matt2491
So you're saying that a 4-speed Toploader WON'T bolt onto a Y-block? This 4-speed's hole pattern looks identical to my 3-speed's...I've also confirmed that my 3-speed IS a Toploader, thanks to the tag which read, "HEF-AC 013301"
You can see it's a Ford top loader from the transmission inspection plate which is on the top of the trans...that's where the term "top loader" comes from. The Warner 3 speed, 3 speed O/D (and T-10 4 speed) inspection plate is on the side.
Since Ford never offered a top loader in a Y block, I have no idea whether it will work or not.
Original application: HEF-AC = 1964 F100/250 223 with a 128" wheelbase.
HEF-AD was used with the 292, same application.
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Alright. Thank you for clarifying.
This is exactly correct. I read the same line out of my shop manual. It now seems that someone dropped in the 292 engine-only, slipping it right into the original tranny.
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Original application: HEF-AC = 1964 F100/250 223 engine with a 128" wheelbase
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Originally Posted by matt2491
Alright. Thank you for clarifying.
This is exactly correct. I read the same line out of my shop manual. It now seems that someone dropped in the 292 engine-only, slipping it right into the original tranny.
This is exactly correct. I read the same line out of my shop manual. It now seems that someone dropped in the 292 engine-only, slipping it right into the original tranny.
4th digit in the VIN is the engine code: C = 292 2V / J = 223 1V
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