Man you guys are hard on someone for giving their honest opinion. Like I said I have a new v10 in the garage, and I agree with what Theoshin had to say.


Am I unhappy with my purchase? Not at all. While the driving feel is much different than what I'm used to, it's not bad, just different. Some things are for the better...it's quieter, smoother, more stabill, etc than my Dmax was. Will it acellerate from 60-90 like the Dmax? Nope. Not at this point at least. Maybe with some break in? Oh, did I mention that it is QUIET and SMOOOOTH.


Different rigs for different people. We all have to make our own choices. I did a lot of research and soul searching before I decided on the v10, and ordered what I wanted. Only time will tell if it was the right choice but it looks good now.

 

The 6.4 has over 150 more pounds feet of torque and twin turbos, so why are you surprised it felt more responsive?

If money isn't an issue, buy the 6.4. If you're going to work/tow with the truck heavily and daily, buy the diesel. If you need a HD truck, with great towing capacity and want the best value in the market, buy the V10.

 

How utterly sad...... :P

 

how i was raised. my dad started from scratch and now his company works all over the world including china and the middle east. he still lives in the same 1900 sq ft house.

 

Does my 2002 F-250 V10 run like my 2000 Lightning, no but that would be comparing apples to oranges. I still like my V10.

 

By reading the quoted post I can say a Diesel is not well suited for you.

A tiny 4 mile commute is not Diesel friendly. A diesel is cold blooded and needs to be fully warmed up to keep it in shape.

A gasser is much better suited for short trips.

My V10 is completely warmed up in about 2miles during the winter.

The 3V V10 will perk up after about 10k. As an added bonus you don't have to take the V10 to the stealership for warrenty work a every month or so.

 

I would agree with dfk that a V10 is better suited to your needs simply because of the 4 mile commute, but hey, whatever makes you happy. The diesel will be likely to give you a lot of headaches with that kind of commute, though.

 

Hey, if a guy wants a diesel, he wants a diesel. The V10 didn't wow him but the diesel does. If he doesn't need to make a living off of his truck, any warranty work won't cost him anything and after a few years he'll re-evaluate. Its not a bad game plan and I hope the diesel works out. But if he doesn't transition over to the "dark side", he'll be back!

 

"The torque is strong with this one..."

 

as you have read i have made a lot of posts v10 vs 6.4. no one has yet to mention a specific "headache" from short trips with the dz besides issues with the emmisions - people have made honest statements about the hassels with the dz like noise and smell but i feel the 6.4 is a whole different beast compared to the 6.0 and 7.3 in terms of noise (not a lot) and smell (none). i have picked out the truck and we are finalized on the price at my local dealer for both engines. i just have not yet signed the deal. as i don't have experience with dz like those here could you give me specific details of what headaches smaller trips cause with the 6.4??? lots of comparisons here between the 6.0 and 7.3 vs v10 but not a lot vs the 6.4 in terms of livability day to day. if getting rid of black smelly exhaust means dealing with a dpf filter that is ok with me. lots of general statements like the v10 is better for short trips, dz needs to be run hard, etc. i can't disagree with them as i have no experience. but what specific problems have people seen with a dz used as a daily driver 5 days a week with towing on the weekends?

thx
ts

 

Here is my take on the v-10 vs PSD. I also wanted a daily use vehicle. I have a few friends with PSD and they tend to sit in the garage a lot because they don't want to spend the time warming them up to temp. They just use them for long distance. I have one friend that had a F150 that he used everyday. He traded it on a 07 PSD. It only gets out the the garage every other weekend or so. For me the V-10 is the way to go, because of the way I drive and how I use the truck.

 

but do you know of any problems if they did use as a daily driver? time to warm up is not a big issue with me - in a heated garage at night. lots of people afraid to use as a daily driver, just wondering why, specifically.

 

Oil that doesn't reach operating temp will not burn off the condensation that forms in the engine when it cools.

If the truck is not driven long enough and hot enough for this to happen the oil will continually breakdown and become contaminated with water.

This will reduce the protection it provides. PLUS, the injectors are run with oil pressure and trying to do that with watered down oil could possibly lead to poor performance & reduced life of the injectors.

For sure it will cost you more to maintain it as you will need to change the oil quite frequently. You could send your oil out for analysis to help get a better baseline for change intervals based on your use of the truck.

Biggest reason NOT to get the 6.4L is that it is a first year production model. Ford's history proves that they use the customer to do most of their "testing". Huge potential for headaches with the 6.4L this early in its life.

 

thx - that is what i was looking for.

well the order is in. i waffled more than a bad politician on this site. the final straw for the dz was my dad telling me i was crazy to buy a dz! he pulled no punches. he was actually mad at me for even considering it. he knows my driving style and fact i can not miss any work or get stranded in south dakota on a hunting trip. his company builds heavy road machinery and use lots of dzs. i sat down with one of his engineers and "saw the light".

enough of my rambling - i ordered the v10. i will run it for a year and see if she "loosens" up as some have described on this post. i have run toyotas since the mid 90's and have had a total of zero drivetrain issues in my and my wifes vehicles so going to a new ford dz was just too much potential headache for me. if i dont like the v10 (sounds just like my prior posts in reverse) i will sell it for a dz in a few yrs - by that time the dz should be worked out.

thx to all,
i hope you are all right about the v10!

ts

 

I had a feeling it would come to this. I was surprised by your background that you were going forward with the PSD. I know for me I really wanted the PSD and even after trying to cook the books in it's favor I just could not justify it. I am very happy with my truck.