I posted this question in psd 6.4 section. my gut pulls me towards the psd but my brain says get the v10. EVERYBODY locally says get the psd (north wi). 97% of my miles are not towing as this will be my daily driver but 1-2x per month i tow a 20ft trailer with 11,700lbs usually on short trips of 45 miles and rarely (1x per yr) 200 miles max.

the question - how smooth and quiet is the v10? i can not find one to test. i have driven several 5.4 f150's and the engine sounds like bolts are loose in the crankshaft under acceleration. i am moving up from a toyota 4.7 double overhead cam v8 that is smooth as silk. i have had 2 tundras with a total of zero drivetrain issues over 8 yrs. as a daily driver used by someone who has a heavy foot how does the v10 compare? is it like the ford 5.4? i read the dz mag comparison and the v10 and 6.4 are pretty darn close to 60 and 70 but how does the v10 sound/feel during acceleration/passing. does it sound like it is working really hard when you tow a heavy load? also how loud is it on the highway at 74mph? i am sure it would be more than enough for my towing needs, but i feel there is more to an engine/trany than the numbers 0-60 etc. the cold starting and reliability are the attractive parts to me in northern wi. don't have time to sit at the dealer as i work a lot. i put 10,000 miles per yr on the truck so milage between the v10 and psd is not a big issue. i thought the 6.4 was pretty darn quiet and did not sound rough under a heavy foot.

thx
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In stock trim any year V10 is quiet and runs smooth as silk. You can run 90mph down the highway in one of these trucks and think your doing 60mph.

The V10 has gobs of torque which is something your Toyota did not have. Get the 4:30s and you will have plenty of power to pull your trailer.

There is really no reason to spend the extra $$$ on the PSD unless you spend a lot of time towing heavy above 5,000 ft.

You can't beat a gasser for short trips. My V10 is completly warmed up during the winter in 2 miles of driving.

I would go on Ford's website and do a search of dealer inventory to try and find a V10 in your area to take out for a test drive. I guarentee once you drive one the PSD will be in your mind no more.

 

I have an 05 and it will run 80 with no noise and a 7K trailer behind it. I have posted before at least down here in southern WI, IL, and IN flat land when towing the speed will sneak up on you. I try to tow at 65 MPH but more then once a few good songs on the radio everything just humming along I look down at the speedo and it is at 80 (around here that is keeping up with traffic).

It has basically come down to personal choice. Which I think is extremely valid reason. It is your money so spend it how you want.

Longevity -> v10 proven 6.4 new with new technology(so far looks like a winner though)

Millage -> close; some 6.4 still post 17 or 18 MPG but MOST people that post get around 15. With the cost of fuel 3 mpg looks great on paper but is really a wash when you look at the cost for fuel per mile.

Towing -> Unless you tow heavy or in the mountains allot either will get the job done. Ford does towing right! The torqshift tranny and factory break controller rock!

Performance mods -> easier with a PSD BUT be ready to cover all engine work out of pocket

One final not I am not sure about the new diesels but I do love on a cold morning I let her her run for 5 minutes and having heat, not having to plug it in at night or worrying about the fuel gelling.

I have about 45K on my truck. I drive her hard unloaded she sees 80 MPH on the highway and she gets her share of WOT and quick starts. No, I do not beat her. At 45K it still is like new. I have had a few minor issues that had NOTHING to do with the power-train. It has been at the shop 1 time overnight and that's because they took the dash apart and did not have a replacement bulb.

 

If you had a Toyota why not get the new Trundra?

 

I DROVE THE NEW TUNDRA CREW MAX. THOUGHT VERY HARD ABOUT IT. 11,700 IS OVER ITS RATED LIMIT. IF I WERE TO GET INTO ANY KIND OF AN ACCIDENT MY LIABILITY WOULD BE HIGH. I THINK A FORD SUPERDUTY WILL NOT STRAIN UNDER THAT KIND OF LOAD LIKE A NEW TUNDRA WOULD.

 

Then I would go V10 unless you have the extra cash flow for the 6.4 option. I dont like the smell of fuel oil on my hand after filling the diesel tank so I went with the gas V10.

 

sounds like most are rec. the v10 for short trips and cold weather. not sure why but i am drawn to the dz but i wonder if that would change after driving it a few months. i will need to find a v10 to test drive. sounds like it is a more smooth engine vs the 5.4 (although i thought the v10 was just 2 more cylinders added onto the 5.4). the 5.4 certainly does not impress me in terms of refinement when compared to the toyota and nissan engines. tempted to try the dz first and if i really don't like it trade it on a v10 as the dz would sell faster/easier here.

 

I have an early V10 and I am in the same boat as you.
Decisions decisions.
I have yet to read anything that would NOT make me buy another V10. The V10 just suits my occasional towing better than the diesel.
And since I live in the extreme cold the gasser is hands down easier to live with.
Been there, got the t-shirt with cold weather+diesel.

 

My V-10 dually is rated for hitch towing 14,000 pounds because I have the std transmission. The rating is 15,000 pounds for the automatic. For equal configurations the SRW's are actually rated (for towing, not payload) a hair more than the DRW's.

I live in Minnesota, and I only plug in the block heater when the temp will drop below zero. In fact, I only do that to minimize wear and tear on the engine during start-up, not because its necessary. I've started the truck at twenty below and colder on many occasions and about the only difference from a summer start is that the engine revs higher when it starts cold. It throws out heat in these conditions within just a few miles, maybe 4 or 5.

Here's an experience of mine as to how much noise the V10 makes. The manual transmission has 6 forward gears: Low, 1 - 4, and OD. On one early occasion when I was specifically doing what I could to get good gas mileage, I wound up unintentionally driving 25 miles in 4th gear at 75 mph because it was so smooth and quiet. I didn't even know I wasn't in OD until I went to downshift to exit the interstate....

By the way, the V10 and the 4.10 axle makes 70 at about 2100 rpm with the 6-spd, and the interior cabin noise is about like that of a car. It also has a really broad power band - 3rd gear legitimately covers 15 to 85 mph. In fact, depending upon the load and terrain, you can readily use 3rd, 4th or OD to run at 85 mph.

Oh by the way, you asked about "heavy footing" it..... Well, you must be talking about 2nd gear and above, because nobody in their right mind floors a V10 in the bottom two gears.... You do know these load range E tires cost over $100 each don't you? That's okay, if you don't, your wife can remind you....

It does occur to me that there is one misconception I should clear up. People say the gas engines don't smell as bad as the diesels, but I'm not so sure. After all, burning rubber is burning rubber.....

There is another point you might want to consider depending upon your real-world practical objectives. The pre-2005 V10's get a couple a mpg better than the newer ones, mostly because they are quite a bit lighter, and have less horsepower and smaller brakes. You'll also want to pay attention to the pre-2005 "popcorn plug" issue, which I won't go in to.

I really would like to encourage you to find and drive a V10 before deciding. Many of the people in these forums are ex diesel-heads who appreciate the reliability and maintainability of this engine as a work horse, not a race horse. Good luck with your decision.

 

Without a doubt, the newer v10 and 5 speed auto is the best powertrain you can possibly buy. I am not kidding.

 

thx for all the input. i don't floor it except when passing at times. i have gotten 1 speeding ticket in my life. i go about 10 over everywhere it is safe but i dont putz around. probably 2/3 throttle a lot from a stop. after 12 hours of very intense work i don't want to come out of work and wait for an engine to warm up for 5 minutes prior to driving home. i want to go. i also don't want to worry about it starting if it is below zero. that is my question with the dz. in the morning it does not matter because it would be in a heated garage.

boy, the more i read, the more the v10 sounds like it is the way to go.

 

Maybe this will help you. I've had three V-10's. 1999,2000 and 2005. I currently have a 2007 F-350 CC Lariat with 6.0 and torqshift. Last week I ordered an 08 F-250 with the V-10. Don't like or trust that noisy sum-bitch anylonger.
Best, CB

 

how did you decide between the 250 and 350. what is the downside to the 350 besides a little cost? i drove one. is the ride really and different between the two?

thx

 

theoshin

The mjority of us here, are in the V10 because we finally found a truck with a quiet, reliable, effecient motor that costs much less to buy, maintain, and operate then the PSD we traded away from. The are one or two that went back to diesel and a few that went from v10 to PSD and back to v10

With the exception of long haul very heavy at high altitude---- there is nothing the PSD trucks can do that the 3v V10 with ZF 6 or 5R110w TorqShift and 4.10 to 4.30 can't do.....

 

I have a 2003 F-450 with the 6.0 PSD, have had many of the 7.3 PSD trucks in both F-350 and F-250 configurations. I also have a 2006 F-250 with the V-10 6-speed. When and if I ever replace one of my current trucks it will be with another V-10. Can't beat the low option price, ease and low cost of maintance, worry free drive train, proven history, great HP & TQ. And yes it is nice and quite.
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