6.0 Programmer advice needed
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Originally Posted by dfuser
Honestly where did you come up with this? Are you a programmer? Please enlighten me....
Last edited by blackhat620; Oct 10, 2007 at 08:17 PM.
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Again what are you basing your data on? Have you written a tune in the SCT Software?
The module controls the MAP and ICP.
The code was written specifically for SLED pulling and having the Steroid adjustability on the fly to meet variying condition on the track.
This is not the proper place to argue the point. Many hours over several months where put in to insure that specific truck is successfull on the track.
The module controls the MAP and ICP.
The code was written specifically for SLED pulling and having the Steroid adjustability on the fly to meet variying condition on the track.
This is not the proper place to argue the point. Many hours over several months where put in to insure that specific truck is successfull on the track.
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There is not 475 horsepower of fuel in the stock injectors, period.
Any number produced at this level by the stock injectors has had the dyno manipulated, period.
You can ask Eric @ Innovative. You can ask Tadd @ Elite. You can ask DJ @ DJ Diesel Performance.
475 RWHP is a manipulation of figures and is not accurate. It simply is not possible without aftermarket injectors.
The steroid module does nothing but manipulate ICP signal voltages. A properly trained calibrator does not need any such device to force the IPR valve to 99% duty cycle. It is also not neccessary to manipulate the MAP sensor in order to obtain the correct amount of boost.
With proper tuning, the Steroid module is useless in a stacking application...and regardless, 475 RWHP is physically not obtainable on a "stock" truck in the trim you describe.
Any number produced at this level by the stock injectors has had the dyno manipulated, period.
You can ask Eric @ Innovative. You can ask Tadd @ Elite. You can ask DJ @ DJ Diesel Performance.
475 RWHP is a manipulation of figures and is not accurate. It simply is not possible without aftermarket injectors.
The steroid module does nothing but manipulate ICP signal voltages. A properly trained calibrator does not need any such device to force the IPR valve to 99% duty cycle. It is also not neccessary to manipulate the MAP sensor in order to obtain the correct amount of boost.
With proper tuning, the Steroid module is useless in a stacking application...and regardless, 475 RWHP is physically not obtainable on a "stock" truck in the trim you describe.
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For anyone not trained looking at the dyno graph; please see the green line (of which the numbers are based off of).
Do you see the LOOP, where the engine speed actually gains then drops? This is called a "shift spike"; an error in the graph caused by the upshift of the transmission. Anyone who is skepictal; please take a look at the graph for yourself.
The real numbers appear to be in th 440hp range- which is right inline with most "hotter" tunes you will get from any of the reputable dealers.
This is an absurd and inaccurate way to rate horsepower and torque production.
Do you see the LOOP, where the engine speed actually gains then drops? This is called a "shift spike"; an error in the graph caused by the upshift of the transmission. Anyone who is skepictal; please take a look at the graph for yourself.
The real numbers appear to be in th 440hp range- which is right inline with most "hotter" tunes you will get from any of the reputable dealers.
This is an absurd and inaccurate way to rate horsepower and torque production.
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by dfuser
Again what are you basing your data on? Have you written a tune in the SCT Software?
The module controls the MAP and ICP.
The code was written specifically for SLED pulling and having the Steroid adjustability on the fly to meet variying condition on the track.
This is not the proper place to argue the point. Many hours over several months where put in to insure that specific truck is successfull on the track.
The module controls the MAP and ICP.
The code was written specifically for SLED pulling and having the Steroid adjustability on the fly to meet variying condition on the track.
This is not the proper place to argue the point. Many hours over several months where put in to insure that specific truck is successfull on the track.
Furthermore an inline module that tricks the MAP sensor readings and ICP, at the users will with the turn of a ****, is a quick way to serious engine problems since the user has know way to monitor PFP (peak firing pressure) & MEP (mean effective pressure).
This is the exact place to argue this point since the OP that brought up this specific topic claims to need this inline module stacked with an SCT to produce max Hp & Torque. The inline module is not needed if proper programming is done with the SCT.
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Originally Posted by dfuser
There was no manipulation of data, just facts. Its up to you to believe what you see. I'll leave at that.
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Originally Posted by npccpartsman
He's claiming 472hp and 1006 torque but he's using shift spikes to base his numbers on which is BOGUS. Maximum hp is less than 440 and only 560 tq on his best run. Good HP but terrible torque. If I wanted to claim shift spikes I could claim WAY higher numbers on Spartan tunes.
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I guess I should have the read the complete post first. I am not claiming that the HP and Tq number showing on the spikes are what the combo was capable of doing. The Module is intended to be used only during the SLED pulls to adjust the duty cycle on demand.
The accurate numbers are as stated: 440hp and 760 tq. The truck will have a regulated system installed and a new BTS tranny. We will then redo the dyno and make more tweaking.
My appologies for not reading what was mentioned earlier.
The accurate numbers are as stated: 440hp and 760 tq. The truck will have a regulated system installed and a new BTS tranny. We will then redo the dyno and make more tweaking.
My appologies for not reading what was mentioned earlier.
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by dfuser
The Module is intended to be used only during the SLED pulls to adjust the duty cycle on demand.
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Originally Posted by dfuser
The accurate numbers are as stated: 440hp and 760 tq.
Shift spikes are not even valid when measuring "MAX" Hp. IMO, this is simply intentionally misleading.
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4
Then why is "MAX 472.5 HP" plastered across the top of the dyno sheet?
Shift spikes are not even valid when measuring "MAX" Hp. IMO, this is simply intentionally misleading.
Shift spikes are not even valid when measuring "MAX" Hp. IMO, this is simply intentionally misleading.